Battleground: important mechanic shouldn't be pay to win

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Why does the 4 champs instead of 2 feature cost money?

I don’t agree with any game mecanics that you have to pay for, specially if they make a big difference in the chances of winning,

And I am not arguing about the price, I wouldn’t pay even if it was 1$. I mean, they could charge 20$ every season for entering competitive mode, and I would pay. Anything but paying to unlock a mecanic that gives you and advantage on other players.

For me any power ups, unlocking more champs, any mecanics that give and edge on other player your are playing against is purely “pay to win”, no matter the price. It basically tells you : “everybody should pay to be even”. What’s next: selling cheats for your own game? (Warzone auto aim now included with the season pass… :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:)

Each season, I think about paying 20$ to get the four champs, and I just don’t because of that principle. I mean, I would gladly pay 20$ just to encourage them continuing the development of the game, heck, I would give them just as a tip… but pay to win, nope. Fix it!

At least before you could “buy” it with coins… :frowning:

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It used to be available for gold.

But they removed that option when they decided that the competition to Hearthstone was dead and they didn’t need to attract more free to play players any more.

Introducing the exploitative currency known as runestones in the process. A typical mobile gaming strategy that reduces the value of each currency, with the purpose being; to make players spend more.

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Because Blizzard wants to generate some profit. Hearthstone isn’t a charity. Is it unfair? Definitely. Suprising? Not really.

At least it is obvious to everyone. Hidden pay to win features are way more malevolent.

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Because development is not free and people don’t buy enough skins to properly line pockets.

The end.

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Because gold is not good enough anymore in this economy.

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Because people feel entitled to a “fair” game. Thats the biggest bowl of malarkey Ive seen yet. The game itself isnt fair to begin with. The RNG will ruin even the idea of a fair match very quickly. Also the idea you get better offers of heroes is laughable when I had the pass it was as if I was offered 3 Mr Bigglesworth and AFK. (not literal example, figurative example t describe how terrible the choices typically are).

If you dont think that giving them some cash at least once or twice a year for some perks in order to keep the game afloat is worth it, then dont play it at all. Im sure you dont enjoy the idea of people expecting you to work for free and no one has to pay for your products or services you provide.

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If you don’t have the 4 hero choice, then you have the “try before you buy” trial version. You are not entitled to full features for free.

I don’t believe you, because that’s exactly what they’re doing. You can play noncompetitively for free, or you can play competitively for $20. You’re just lying to yourself and making up BS to convince yourself that you’re okay for not doing what you tell yourself you’ll do.

See, this here is why you lie to yourself. You want to believe you’re principled, but all you are is ideologically rigid. There is a big difference between a game where there are exactly two tiers of player — paid and unpaid — and a game where there are multiple different paid tiers. There is nothing morally wrong with the first, because the developers need to eat and letting people try your game at a disadvantage for free is nicer than not letting people play for free at all. There is a lot wrong with the second, because even after you’ve paid the developer won’t leave you alone and keep trying to sell to you. The core of your frustrations are your own fault, because you have an oversimplified and erroneous view of developer ethics.

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you dont really win anything to add to your collection so no idea how is this an issue

i would find a reason to complain if we could earn HS packs by climbing BG…

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I am still shocked there isn’t something to gain for free as you rise in ranks at this point. That would at the minimum entice more players to push for higher ranks or at the minimum push to hit 6K MMR.

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__Fairly sure there are still weekly or daily quests compatible or explicit to BGs in the main journal page, those yield gold. So you can get packs via BG climbing. The MMR competition isnt a thing because honestly, its already tryhard/cut-throat as it is. Personally I would not enjoy if BGs became flooded with even more people focused on being competitive in this mode with random lobbies.

__You can make competitive match lobbies with other like minded groups by just grouping up and making a lobby for your own tournament needs. I forget what the limits are, if you can make an 8 person group and start a premade full lobby, or if it was up to 4 ppl in a group that can queue up. If the latter I think it would make sense that is 2 premade groups of 4 each queued into bgs at the same time, the servers would most likely pair them together as they should, but i imagine theres a small risk it doesnt.
Let those folk be merry and cut throat meta praisers. lol

I prefer a more casual game personally. I;d like to see a long haul mode: YOu can only upgrade when the cost = 0.

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I play on EU and on NA… on NA I buy the pass and on EU I don’t. I have the same level of rank on both.

Just saying.

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I think I see where you are going with this…

I feel like your are saying something along the lines of: “Get rid of the bullcrap pink glasses of unicorns that you are wearing. Life is hard, unfair, and that is just what it is… the law of the jungle. Suck it up.” Something along those lines?

I guess anything is ok just as long as it generates money?

Maybe I still have a “naive” way of seeing things… Like, I actually give money to game devs just to encourage them, I give money to Kickstarters just as a “tip”, I buy games that I don’t even know if I will play (Early Access) because I find that they are ambitious or inspired. I prefer giving money to encourage, or out of inspiration, then to give money out of ego, frustration or to get a personnal edge.

I believe there are other ways then negativity, or resorting to negative approaches. I understand it sells, that I do! But I just think there are other ways to make money. But I am aware that in the eye of most “toxic” nowadays businesses, the goal is more money… And it’s true that to get more money, negativitiy, addiction, ego, are generally more efficient.

Let me ask you this question: would you feel it would be a good thing for a developper to sell it’s own cheat to his game? Like, there will be anyways, why not profit from it?

I think we don’t see things the same way.

P.S.: It’s not easy to cultivate these ideas, and I agree with you that somewhere, in me, is doubt. But hey, I try to do better (according to my belief system).

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You do though. Directly, not even indirectly. I took a break for 3 years, came back just to play battlegrounds. I got thousands of gold and whatever else experience got me exclusively by playing battlegrounds and nothing else.

I then proceeded to use that gold to buy the mini sets to get started in standard. But you’re telling me thats fiction, you cant get packs this way? Bro you can get packs by playing mercenaries.

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I think what he is saying and I am also saying is the floor rank rewards like standard. Sure you can gain gold and buy the packs but you do that in standard as well along with getting rewards ever 5 ranks to legend.

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No. There is absolutely nothing unfair about paying real money for 4 hero slots. It is not a cheat. It is the full version of the game that you’re being too cheap and whiny to purchase. I am not telling you to suck it up. I am telling you that you’re delusional.

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There’s lots of autobattlers out there that cost either a one-time payment or absolutely nothing (mostly the latter). If you hate battlegrounds’ monetization (which you completely have valid reason to), I suggest playing one of the alternatives instead. Just because blizzard charges more doesn’t mean you’re getting more; sometimes what seems like a terrible deal simply is a terrible deal.

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Wait, I checked, and it is written “battelgrounds Season Pass”.

I did some research, because I never thought of finding the true meaning of a “season Pass”.

So here is what I found:
" A season pass is a form of video game monetization in which consumers purchase a discounted package for current and future (DLC) packs for a video game atop its base cost."
“In most games it means buying all the dlc’s before they’re released. Sorta like pre-ordering dlc.”

DLC (Downloadable Content) :
" additional content gamers download for video games after their initial release . This content may include new levels, characters, weapons, or skins."

So maybe you are right, maybe we can consider game mechanics as part of the DLC or Season pass.

But I would argue. Paying for the Season pass doesn’t give you additionnal heroes, skins, content or even mechanics. It just give you the additionnal possibility to choose from 2 champs which is already there in the basic free version.

You could argue that the base package has only 2 champ select and the season pass has the new feature that allows 4 champ select, but I wouldn’t agree. Because in reality, the 4 champ select is already in the base game, you can see it, you just cant use it, it is locked.

So what they are selling you as a Season pass is definitly NOT as you say quote “the full version of the game” neither by the base definition of what is a Season pass or a DLC, nor by what should be the content of a season pass or a DLC.

If they want me to pay for the basic game, let them charge me to play Battelground, period, and I will pay. Let them find a way to charge 20$ for the full version of the game.

Their strategy is quite clear: to propose a free game that you can play with bonus mechanics that give you an edge, and disguise those “cheats” (or advantage) as compelling DLC or season pass.

That, in my book, would be the same as if Warzone offered a season pass with a special “see through wall” pair of gogles or a “super auto aim attachement” in a Season pass that you don’t have in the basic full game. It’s just a way to get frustrated player to buy the “season pass” (and we can argue on the fact that I am frustrated or not, but that is not the point).

Anywho, you can argue about the subject, or you can focus on attacking me personnally… if you choose to attack me personnally, I will not answer!

Thanks.