Algorithms Control Winners

I’ve been playing this game all day for a couple months and I can guarantee the algorithms control most players from getting past 7000 in battlegrounds.

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can you please provide your full data set and analysis of that data please so we can verify your claim? :slight_smile:

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I don’t have to. Blizzard knows what they are. When you pass 6300 the game changes significantly.

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:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

What are you even trying to say, that you’re a good player but Blizzard just doesn’t want you to win because you upset them somehow?

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When you get to top 100 legend in constructed it even has its own meta and you usually play many of the same players… so it is clearly rigged.

(insert tinfoil hat .gif)

Also, one time I fell out of a boat and landed in water, so that was rigged, too.

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And why does the algorithm suddenly need to pick the winners? BGs is a free mode with a pass that you can pay for easily with gold, so what is there to be gained by controlling match outcomes?

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To keep players coming back - it’s like gambling. The house wins on average when you don’t have a skill-based game. I’ve been playing BGs since the beginning - in fact I stopped playing standard because it stopped being fun. BGs used to be fun after the Gentle Megasaur nerf.

This recent patch feels VERY off. Sure I don’t have thousands of wins like some pro twitch stars. (1000+ wins though, and over 2000+ top 4.) I’ve struggled to get into 6000 rank. Why? Sure you could say I lack still. And you might even be right - I only play for a few hours on the weekend, and maybe an hour daily. But I don’t think that i’m that different than the normal/average every day player.

The game feels broken. I can’t quite place my finger on it. I’ve had games where it fed me a healthy supply of a specific built - Elementals, Murlocs. Beats deathrattle, pirates, etc up until about 11 or 12 gold. Then… i can refresh 10… 20 times and only find maybe 1 or 2 cards that support that build. The game figures out what you’re doing and picks it’s top 4 ahead of time, then picks the winner. It’s to keep players in the game thinking they have a chance to win. It’s gambling + arcade. The more players in the game = more money for Bnet in sales. Even if you can pay for gold… i bet their player data shows that if players play BGs, they probably play other modes - like standard.

Face it - the game is rigged - it always had been. Even when it was fun - they had just the right tweaks to not make it as obvious. Even if you don’t want to admit the house always wins when the game lacks a skill component. I dare you or bnet to explain why they don’t release tier card contents so we can track how many of each card is left on each tier and their chances.

The only difference between pokar and blackjack and hearthstone BGs = you can’t count the cards and run probabilities. They know this - they hide the cards from view.

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There’s literally nothing for the house to win. A casino loses money if you keep winning. Hearthstone loses nothing if someone hits 10k MMR, and there are folks way the heck above that.

There are an awful lot of BGs-only players, I don’t see any reason to hold them at mediocre MMRs to try and make them pay for other stuff.

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Keep apologizing for bnet. Seriously. Of course they lose if players get fed up and leave the game. It’s just enough to keep players in the game. Even if they branch out and play another mode once and a while. That’s the win - the more players in the game more money they make ultimately.

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Assuming you’re close to the 6000 rank, you are pretty much exactly a normal/average player according to hsreplay. That’s probably about where your skill is. It’s easier to say that the game is rigged than to try to become a better player, but honestly why would you keep playing a game that you believe to be rigged?

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I’m not apologizing for crap.

Keep playing for a system that you believe is scamming you out of wins :man_shrugging:

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Sure. They rig a non competitive mode. Or maybe, just maybe, the game changes above 7000 mmr because you’re not good enough to keep winning above that level. But hey, it’s always easier to come up with conspiracy theories than admit you’re the problem.

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Are you telling me you stop playing games If you lose too much? Huh?
Do you understand BG is a zero sum game and that necessarily half the lobby wins and half loses? Algorithm or no? That Blizzard gains nothing creating an algorithm that does the same thing a ladder System does by itself?

That’s called being Random mate. In a Random System, there’s repetition. Long stretchs of X followed by longer stretchs without It. Things average out near infinity, not near whatever point you are.

Thinking that you will get averages in a Random System is a brain trick. Say you want elementals. Let’s say, for purposes of discussion, they compose 10% of the BG. You will not necessarily find 1 in 10 Rolls. Not even 1 in 100. Across 1000 refreshes, you can get the First 900 without them and the rest with them. Thinking that “i should find 1 in 10 Rolls” is the trick that makes BG seems rigged. There’s no reason they should be in any particular order, either at the “front” or the “back” or “evenly spaced”. That’s why you have games with plentiful Minions of X tribe, then no Minions of X tribe, and games where they are sprinkled in the rest.

Players already have a chance to win If they are playing against same skill opponents, you don’t need a magical algorithm that reads your mind for that.
If anything, picking what you’re gonna play early Just means you’re a bad player and that’s why you’re losing. Not because the game is helping you or not, Just bad strategies overall

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Thanks for the most legit response. I concur! I flux between 6000-6800. Average.

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This sentence is your entire issue.

You have the false assumption that the mode is rng only and can’t see where your decisions are holding you back.

You have ceded your role in your situation, assigning external control to your condition. As such, you have eliminated your ability to improve.

You should just stop playing. The game is not rigged, you have beaten yourself.

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The reason I think they increase the difficulty is to reduce the number of players that qualify for tournaments.

So you think they developed a system to rig the outcome of the game to do what a normal mmr system does filtering good players from bad.

And they specifically target players to keep them from being “good” to prevent them from qualifying from tournaments?

Are there BG tournaments?

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There are literally no rewards for ranking, much less tournament.

There is in fact zero reason to rig anything about BG. Ever.

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Yes, invite only tourneys for streamers.

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These posts are always dumb and contain the same flaw in their reasoning:

If it is programming you to lose, then that means it’s programming your opponent to win, which means you have to admit that sometimes it’s programming you to win and programming your opponent to lose. If that’s the case, there’s no reason to even have any players or competition since it is all random. And, if it’s all random…how are some players way above your MMR? They literally could NEVER get there if any of this is true.

If 2 identical people are at 6800-7000, what determines who is the winner and the loser?

There is literally no benefit at all. There is exactly zero reason to choose your opponent over you if you are both at the same ranking. And with your logic, no one could ever get above 7000 since it programs you to lose, right?

And then, with your logic, you’d have to explain people at like 5000…if it’s programming them to win to get to 7000, how are they losing?

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