Yes I know the title of my post isn’t correct, but I’m going to tell you why I think there is some truth in it.
Unless you’re stupidly lucky, or unless you can see what most of us can’t, you won’t get 1st place in battlegrounds almost ever. I’m at less than 10% of my top 4 finishes being 1st out of 1311 hours spent on this crap.
This is because you either get junk to pick from, or you feel like you’re actually putting things together to only find out that 2 other players in the lobby are doing better than you. You will stay low to try and stay alive and maybe, probably, place 3rd at most, 5th at worst, or you will try to level up quickly only to be killed off early.
You’ll get junk heroes to pick from, or junk trinkets, which automatically before the match has even progressed very far, seal your fate.
Of course 1st-4th is considered a win, but unless you have elite skills give up on ever getting 1st consistently. It simply isn’t possible.
Or they’ve had bugs lately that make you lose to them. Such as getting a frozen screen mid game and so you quit and reload only to be taken to the main lobby, or just like now when I couldn’t select my hero, so same thing, quit to reload and be taken to main lobby.
On average, one should be getting 1st 12.5% of the time, and top 4 50% of the time.
I used to fully be able to track my personal winrates using the achievment menu, but they changed it so you cant see total games played per character anymore, but I personally have about 1/3 of my top 4 finished as first place, as I play much riskier.
The riskier you play, the better chance of getting the first or last, so if you play most of your games focusing on getting top 4, I think it is likely you would get first less, but also get last place less
I’m pretty average in BGs. Better in Solos. Highest Ranking ever is like 8k-9k in solo.
What do I mean by average? I mean I can’t build a proper Elemental or Naga board. I suck with them and have almost never won 1st place with them. I’m mainly an Undead/Murloc/Beast/Demon/Mech/Quilboar kind of player. I also suck pretty bad with Pirates and Dragons.
Decided to look at my stats in solo.
740 hours.
1070 top 4 wins with 20% of them being 1st place.
And remember, I pretty much suck. So…seems like this might be a you issue. You have twice as many hours as me and half as many first place finishes % wise.
I took first place four games in a row with different tribes last week.
It’s really about knowing the tempo for first trinket and then hitting your scalling into the last rounds then tech and position from scouting your opponents.
You’re average if you’re getting 8500? Uh dude, you do know average is 6000? I’ve been over 7000 one season.
Is probably my problem. I’m not a gambler. Any time I’ve tried to go high it’s only worked once and I’m not recalling if I was 1st then or not, but I know there were a few turns where I was stomping people, but it was off 2 of the undead pirate avenge for gold minion where I literally wasn’t doing awful and had like 12 gold so was like eh F it, I’m leveling up once for like 2 and then the next level too. I don’t recall exactly, but memory serves right I got a couple of nasty minions out of that next turn which made me kind of untouchable at first. Again don’t recall if it resulted in a first.
As a side note to this conversation I have screenshotted a bunch of my 1st place finishes and a couple 2nd’s where on some of my 1st’s it was laughable that I got 1st, and it was a shame I got 2nd on some of those as I know for a fact that those 2nd place finishes were easily 1st in other lobbies.
I mean I don’t know that my 1st and 2nd finishes combined aren’t 25% or at least 20%. Most matches seem to take 30 minutes give or take and so being very pessimistic about 1312 hours equals 3000 matches I’ve placed top 4 1887 times. Ergo I do win on the average, but 1st place is evidently stupidly hard if you aren’t aware of ways to “cheat.” Like yeah not cheating because it’s technically possible, but you win like the video you saw on YouTube where someone got a combo that is virtually at least 1000/1 odds of anyone ever getting that no matter their skill.
You can get 1st place more often, but you will go 8th more often also. If you’re getting 1st less than 10% of the time, you’re playing it safe to avoid 8th place. Experiment with other play styles and don’t agonize over your ranking, and you will find new strategies. All the little details are much funner if you discover them yourself.
So you have basically hit your maximum possible with the current skill set you have. What you need to do now is increase your skill set. I would say learn to get better at your menagerie game. Learn what minions you need to build the menagerie as you go. Take minions along the way when you can that you know what you will need for later. Learn the best combo setups to a menagerie build.
At the same time get better at your APM game. See how many cards you can buy and play in a turn with a decent generator build. I can currently cycle on average about 45-50 cards with an average timer bar not a full bar. If i get a full three minute bar i could probably get over 100 plays but i would have to be laser focused and even then i probably couldn’t. In comparison the very best players can play a 100+ cards easy with just an average amount of time. Nothing will bring you back into a game then finding the pieces of an APM build mid/late game and just cooking for a turn into monster board.
Always be checking the lobby for players builds and keep an eye on their triples and who they are beating and what builds they are beating. Take tech cards if you see multiple comps you can exploit in a lobby. IE: Take a straight show it you see lots of Undead and players taunting a lot.
Always be ready to pivot part of your build to something scam combo or something to combat DS spam.
In the end each tier in the rating system is essentially a new skill level you need to play at and relearn the game at. The new season is going to be a massive game reset so spend the time learning different builds not just what you are comfortable with.
Average BG players usually end the season around 6500 Rating these days with how stale the builds have been for so long. I would expect that number to drop in season 9 with how much each tribe has pivoted and the nuanced combos.
Do you know how many times I’ve heard this exact same thing since this mode dropped and I started coming here about it?
Yes it may very well be the problem, but a number of things. A) I’m not going to become obsessed with this mode to become super good at it. I’m 42 and have a FT job and other interestes. B) when I had attempted before to figure out how to do that, there are no definitive guides as to how. C) Even if there are good players explaining sort of how to maybe do this they offer no set way, nor watching Dog Dog on YouTube provides any actual advice as his YT channel is just simply watching him play. He provides very little in actual this is why I’m doing this explanations.
If I didn’t actually enjoy this game I would play it about as often a I do shooters where I have found I royally suck, hence not playing more than 2 hours of FPS since my college days 20 years ago.
Then there’s this:
What does this even mean? I’m not going to spend hours perusing websites where maybe this sort of thing is explained, but why do super into the game players assume that other players would understand lingo?
And finally this:
I’ve always thought or wondered that each new season doesn’t probably take what you’ve learned before and kind of throws it out the window.
Appreciate the advice, but it’s too vague, hence why us 6500 rating players will never be Dog Dog.
Who is upset? I was trying to tell them what they had to do to increase their rating in BG’s. If you subscribe to that theory i have a bridge to sell you real cheap. BG’s takes far more skill to play and be good at then constructed could ever hope to be.
It stands for Actions per Minute. Basically how fast can you play and cycle cards in a build with near limitless resources to maximize the potential of the board afterwards.
9 out of 10 times you’re playing all bots with a predetermined Placement. Do you notice the bots will have all the key cards they need and you will always be missing one or two important cards. It’s easy to see it’s a lazy algorithm. To get far in this game you have to pay or Stream and pay
Unless you can actually prove it is ALL bots your argument is extremely lazy. Most games I am in, I find maybe one to two people with good luck that have their key cards. And sometimes I find myself in that exact same spot. Other than that every other BG opponent I usually faced are still developing and have not reached the board state they are trying to achieve.
