Sader is no melee anymore

With the new update there should be a better mix at bg matchmaking putting melee and range classes together, i hope you dont count sader as melee or tank because he isnt that anymore.
The only viable build left was a ranged backliner build (which gets a hard nerf with update and is maybe useless now).
Was hopeing for some cc immunity changes but not sure if the skills you changed will help with the current sader problems, aslong he gets no total cc immunity, more tankyness and movement he always will running behind the good meta classes.
The sad truth is that the guy with the big shield is the most helpless and squishiest class out there after his tiny bubble runs out.

All hope left is now on the new horse essence and if the horse really works at pvp, -50% dps while mountet seems very much and it is only immune to knockbacks and not cc (other classes get both without dps loos), sure will test it but i have already a bad feeling about it especially because our other builds are nearly dead now, if it not works = dead class

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I am not very optimistic with the upcoming changes. Everyone has anti-cc except saders. Not unless you trade bubble shield, non-starter. Instead of complaining, here are my suggestions.

  1. Shelter of Khalim - either you buff that to 100% absorb shield - like BK or make it a personal bubble shield with a longer duration.

  2. Pants - make an anti-cc pants.

  3. Update magical essences like Judgement, it is useless with all the other classes anti-cc.

  4. Other means to create a dps spec. still tied to judgement+condemn. no other good alternatives. lightning build will be nerfed tomorrow.

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Ye, have a bad feeling too, it seems they try to make the horse now useable at pvp but it seems to come for a high price compared to other toons who have most things already at the basic skill set. Somehow i have the feeling that sader is always two steps behind most of the other classes and the nerf will sure hit hard on his last remaining build.
Its interesting that toons like dh got no nerf at all and even become small buffs.

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Cavalier Courtwear will be buffed with the update for tankyness (at cost of dps) and “anti-cc” (cannot be dismount by TLoC) on horse. So we may be able to design a CC-tank-horse !

Well, this has to be tested because if frozen, then no mobility and sitting duck xD

Other old essences are redesigned to have other sources of debuff on ennemies (damage reduction and anti-dash :joy:). This may give new opportunities as a melee tank :man_shrugging:

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Spoil alert - update here, n i try cavalier courtwear horse, it look okay ,i x get knock down in tower war - but this my first time that essence , dont know is that what it do.

N i seem i can run thru wizard cc , mayb … need more match

My fist impression was a disaster, no dps anymore at horse and the enemy cc stuns you all the time like always, can me please a dev explain why we got not at least full cc immunity while the horse is up like many other toons already have? On top we got a real hard nerf at harmonic colide which brings the sader in a even more worse spot for me now then before the update. Other classes like dh and druid are strong like before it seems, my impression from 3 bgs today.

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yea, i got bad experience too aftr join 1 of bg , dang, sader seem more fragile than before, do we get nerf on dmg too?

sometime i got knock off my horse when i use condemn skill, so weird

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After a few more bg i can say that sader is nearly dead class now, there is basically no reason anymore to play him. Was loosing sure 6 matches in a row now always because high druids which seems to control the whole bg and do everything a sader can only dream of. I hate to switch class but my patient is nearly at zero now hopeing that this devs get something good out of my toon.

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After reading the description, you confirmed my fear… we just get CC-lock on horse now with this essence :joy: and it costs 45% damage :man_facepalming:

I8 condemn chest dismount horse since release so nothing new. But range is reduced to 1 screen (10yards), not sure if distance is strifed or not… all aoe skills are strifed in pvp with a reduced range -.-

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Maybe it would have worked if there was 100% cc immunity but i cant see how we should play pvp with this essence, somehow the controls while mounted feels not good too (at least on pc).

If they just would given us a pants essence which provides cc immunity to an existing build it would have been much better. Everything they do to classes feels very rushed and not well testet, that the new chest essence still dosent work on horse is just lazy.

Was playing with the fist of heavens build today and it is still working at tower or vault but weaker then before and at bg just total inferior to most other classes now.
The circle build is a pain too and mostly i got just taken down before i can even reach the idol by good meta classes with speed and many dashes, not to mantion that the “use 3 sec bubble and then die inside stun before get out” is maybe the most unfunny way to play this game.

I really wished i could say something positive about the sader but atm it feels for me like the weakest toon out there and i still dont understand why some streamers put him near S tier, but the same guys play then other classes and make videos for them so maybe just hot air.

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after a few pvp , sader officially no longer tanky, no longer front-line fighter with strong area-of-effect (AoE) damage and supportive abilities , it become so fragile (i cannot kill anyone with my sacrifice slot for horse) and i have to run all the time which not a supportive player anymore in the team but a dead weight for the team - i have random gem so it wont help with my dps .

new patch , yey! i have running away ability now,

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run and annoy othr player to chase me as beef , but in whales match, i die before i can run , sad time for sader - no more glory day for sader…

Ok, here is a workaround regarding the dps drop-off using the “Cavalier’s courtwear” (does not solve stun/freeze cc-lock):

The 45% damage reduction affects skills damage so DoT gems and set damage (Angmet+Penitent) is not affected by this debuff.

DoT gems are strifed making them secondary in terms of DPS. Main use would be then to increase the number of ticks on each target to proc angmet and/or rather penitent as much as possible.

As a matter of fact, there is no limit to 4p Penitent tick damage unlike essences DoT damage and proc per tick damage. This is what made Tempest OP a few month ago using the 7 bananas build (reduced to 5 now).

Essences with high ticks per seconds should be prioritize over base dps.

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Maybe some streamers will find something that works with horse but from what i have seen the old fist of heavens build is better in every way. Always take a look at other saders at pvp and no one with horse came even near my results with fist of heavens.
If the next essences not provides real cc immunity this class will die out, already seen today 2 persons who was switching to other classes now because they feel helpless at pvp. I really wished the devs would read this forum, there are so many good suggestions how to make this class good or maybe they dont want too because some unknown reason.

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