In my opinion, barb is still OP these days, but less so than before because of the strongness and CC of other classes.
Undying rage is barb’s unique characteristic. If it is nerfed, barb becomes trash.
When undying rage is on (in addition, when all other classes’ immunity to damage), not affecting idol’s move, I think that alone would balance out Battleground.
(Addition) Rather, Monk is overkill. Their damage given is too much and their damage taken is too little. And shield of zen is all CC immune. Their basic stat is too good.
for me it’s not like that at all…you use the anti cc once in a while ok…it helps you…it ends lasts a few seconds…and in the meantime…the monks freeze you…tempest attacks and NEVER dies. …the dh immobilizes you the monk stunt you…and in the meantime that the barbarian’s anti cc reactivates…you are already immobilized and frozen and you die before your time
If you are not a barbarian do not tell barbarians how to play!!!
become a barbarian yourself and see how bad it is to be a barbarian NOW…you can’t play…
need nerf for monks mages and tempest
If you want to compare 2 classes for damage, you have to compare approximately the same reso, the same secondary stats and possibly similar CR.
Me with a 10k monk, when I meet a 10k barbarian on solo (which is rare) it takes me about 12 seconds to be able to kill him and I can’t go to the idol - which means I don’t fulfill the function in BG … when I go to the idol so the barbarian wins.
The problem arises as soon as there are more players moving around (90% of time), the barbarian also has immunity and can reliably clean and keep the idol in the chaos. While the each one who attacks the barbarian cannot withstand the onslaught from multiple sources (from barbarians group members). With CC this is worse for others but not so much for Barbar .
It should be noted that the Barbarian is able to resist any number of attackers for 6 seconds - that’s the reason why jw is so strong incl. resistance to CC, to which immunity is also added. The sum of the duration of immunity + savior + cheat death puts a huge pressure on the opponent when for 12 seconds their damage is completely wasted and on the contrary they try to stop the idol (and the barbarian has them at the moment when he needs them). When the Barbarian finally dies, at least he has a charged immunity (especially in the early BG phase) before he rushes back into the fight.
The barbarian simply cannot give high DPS and must be (like the ultimate game changer in BG) even numerically balanced between teams - anything else is not good
The same goes for other classes. Other classes have their own difficulties too. Some has just a little less difficulty.
According to your logic, you shouldn’t insist on unconditional nerfs for other classes unless you’ve played other classes. I’ve been playing all 8 classes.
And what country are you from? Speak English correctly.
That’s Barb’s characteristic. A strong body that can withstand many attacks. The problem you (and I) are experiencing can be solved to some extent by preventing the idol’s moves from being affected when Undying Rage is active.
On the other hand, if Undying Rage itself isn’t fixed, it will be still a problem in Shadow War.
Should the damage to the tower when Undying Rage is active be reduced? Or shouldn’t Undying Rage be able to block the tower’s attacks?
I honestly don’t know the appropriate solution when I think about it this way. But if Undying Rage is fixed wrong, Barb will be trash.
Range attack classes can be a better counter to barb than monks. Monk is superior to many other classes, and it would be greedy to try to beat barb’s characteristic.
There’s no need to mention Savior and Cheat Death. Other classes can have them too.
you are so OP mages storms and monks that you are still almost almost asking for other nerfs for the piveri barbari supernerfati … only because you fear now the nerfs for your classes
I would be ashamed to write what you write and I hope that Blizzard … does not take your opinions into account at all because they clean the game in an incorrect way and only in your favor
I saw your resume on this forum…and ask Blizzard to check it…for months and months you have done nothing but ask for nerfs and more nerfs to the barbarian in the hope of getting them…but you are now pathetic and without credibility in what you write…the nerf is needed for your class instead!
What are you talking about? Write English correctly.
Do you even read my post? My primary class is a demon hunter.
I’m ashamed of you who are not being able to write coherently logically.
People’s thought that ‘barb is unfair’(your expression is ‘hate’) is because barb is literally OP(unfair). (It’s OP for winning in PVPs in DI. if DI’s PVP is simple deathmatch, barb is not that much OP.)
Because barb is OP, it’s popular and has a large barb population. (Hate? A lot of people love barb.)
In fact, barb is lovely and cute. If it is refined well, it won’t be hated by people.
Please explain how this OP melee class should deal with so many red freezing circles from a ranged class on the other side of an energy barrier that their entire team can be locked into their spawn point…
Give up on those matches. There is synergy if there are a lot of barbs, and there is also synergy if there are a lot of wizards. Especially on the defense side.
Also, the matches where one team is overwhelmingly superior enough to lock into the spawn point are matches where the class combinations, character stats, or control skills of the 8 people are very different. It can’t be helped.
There are many matches where that is not the case.
Among barbs’ heads, there is also an essence that is immune to CC. Heartless Terror.
Also, you can’t break through alone. You have to break through together with team. In such a situation, someone has to sacrifice themselves in the lead.
So, in matches where there’s so many wizards that they can lock down the entire enemy team into their spawn point, we should just give up on those matches?
Okay, but in matches where there’s a few Barbs able to hold the idols, don’t give up on those matches, instead ask for Barbs to repeatedly be nerfed whilst ignoring wizards?
shame on you for your hatred and aggression. I am not ashamed if you don’t understand my English because I am not English… shame on you for offending the players… and for being so obtuse and stubborn to not admit that NERF POWER IS NECESSARY FOR WIZARDS… TEMPESTS… MONKS AND DH
if you play well as a barbel should…you are an expert…and Op is the barbarian…I don’t understand why you are not a barbarian yourself instead of dh…but I understand that it would be depressing for you
you only talk nonsense and hate about barbarians
I don’t quite understand what you’re saying, but what you meant was ‘why am I asking for a nerf for Barb but not for Wizard?’ ?
I didn’t say anything about Wizard. I didn’t say whether Wizard should be nerfed or not.
Also, I didn’t only say ‘give up’. But also I talked about other factors of difference and essence and co-op play below ‘give up’.
The case where there are many Frozen Wizards is also problem, but you have to be careful when talking about a fragmentary case. For the reasons for cases, there are also class combinations, character stats, and control skills, etc. of 8 people.
A few days ago, I had a match where the opponent had 3 Wizards and we had 1. We were the attackers. Before the match started, I thought that the match would be difficult, but we won because Wizards don’t often step on idols.
The problem of unfairness should be viewed from a statistical perspective. based on a lot of match data.
Barb is also a problem in Shadow War, Vigil of Blades, and Alley of Blood. Many clans change their class to Barb only on that day to win.
Do you think it’s fair to affect an idol’s move when immune to damage?
O-dog Arreat Ancient, Guardian of Barbarians,
It seems like you are the one who is obtuse and stubborn.
At least please polish it after translating so that communication is possible.
You added DH to your nerf list because I said that I’m DH. I am DH and yesterday I was a crusader, tomorrow I will be a wizard, 3 days ago I was a necro, 5 days ago a barb, 7 days ago a monk, 9 days ago a tempest, and 11 days ago a BK. Let’s nerf them all.
Similar to the reason you insist on barb, I have been a DH since the game opened.
I am most proficient in DH control among 8 classes, and I’m a F2P, I have only legendary gems suitable for DH. so DH is my primary class. However, I class-change to the other 7 classes every other day.
I do not play a class because it is OP.
very good
…I don’t care what you play, I’m interested in 3 nerfs for the monk class…dh…tempest and mages…like the barbarian had them in line
then Netcase can balance the bg…first bring everyone to the same nerf level and then balance
When people are up against a few Barbs, they repeatedly asked for Barb nerfs and Barbs got nerfed.
When people are up against other classes, who can also be similarly overpowered (e.g. some wizards with their freeze circles being able to lock an entire enemy team into their spawn point), we shouldn’t ask for them to be nerfed and should just accept it and move onto the next match.
My point is…
Why is treat the two scenarios so differently, i.e. nerf into the ground versus accept it and move onto the next match?
I already understood and answered properly even if you didn’t try again. I wrote a long answer to your question in the post above.
(In addition to that answer)
People complain about wizards, but there is a good reason why there are more complaints about barb. Because statistically, after playing many matches, they felt that barb has a strong advantage in winning battlegrounds.
The game company gave barb a lot of good abilities. And they nerfed it because they thought it was too much. They raised barb and then lowered it, not just only lowered it.
Since before, you tend to not talk about the whole talking I’m talking about, but only quote a part of it and focus on it only. Please cover the whole talking. You didn’t even answer this question.
(Think about Necro’s wraith form, BK’s Sanguinate together.)
Are you only seeing what you want to see and not reading the whole talking because my talking is too long?
To O-dog,
You said this (called ‘a’),
so I said this.
Why are you saying this after what you said ‘a’?
Please speak logically and coherently.
Despite Barbs having been repeatedly nerfed, and despite other classes having abilities that deserve one, people are still calling for even more nerfs to Barbs rather than the other classes which can literally lock down and entire team into their spawn point.
At this point, it’s not about balance in BGs, it’s about spoiling Barbs.
I am DH and yesterday I was a crusader, tomorrow I will be a wizard, 3 days ago I was a necro, 5 days ago a barb, 7 days ago a monk, 9 days ago a tempest, and 11 days ago a BK. Let’s nerf them all.