No we do know, you can see all the feedback under the class threads – all of which has been ignored.
Not only do we know what we want, its articulated and communicated clearly.
That’s not what a narcissist does at all, or what the term means - but what a narcissist will do is correct, defer, and DARVO people. I didn’t call you a narcissist BTW (there’s the V from DARVO ironically). I called aspects of your post narcissistic. You’ve strawmanned me, but that doesn’t undermine what I actually said.
You have no idea what is good for the game. What you said was ludicrously self-serving. Your own link disputed your premise anyway.
To be fair I am genZ and I don’t even want that lol, neither would the boomers FYI, I think that attitude come from A different generation.
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If 100% of people leave a cinema 2-3 hours after they went to see a movie, it is not an indication that the movie was a failure.
Some of us want 100s and 1000s of hours from our A-RPGs. But we are the minority.
Besides, game length is another thing that is unrelated to game quality. Some of the best games in history are only a few hours long.
Do you even understand what google trends measures?
It measures what’s searched about on google. That’s it. If I type say… Mandalorian Season 3 into Google, then if you look at google trends for Mandalorian Season 3, my google search for it will be counted in that data. But if I know where Mandalorian is hosted (Disney+) and I know that Season 3 is out because I got an email and as a result I do NOT google Mandalorian Season 3, then the google trends data doesn’t change because I didn’t use google to search for it.
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Deflection – im the author, so by that fact you’re implying I am as its my content. Nevertheless, lets agree to disagree – i think this is a bit of a digression from the OP and topic.
Absolutely no. But if you can’t see the difference…
And yes, let’s move on.
Or not… you keep editing and posting:
I don’t believe you. You misuse terms that someone who studied this stuff would not. Not that it matters apart from being an (empty) appeal to authority.
P.S. on topic - the overall retention of D4 is pretty impressive. I’m not a big fan of the game, I much prefer PoE. But you can’t argue with the numbers.
True and those “best” games I go back to time and time again. Havent made my mind up on D4 but if I do end on the leave it to collect dust shelf, Ill make sure to snuggle it up next to New World. D4 is not as bad but the dev team has a similarity between the two. Hell I still play league and minecraft, occasionaly float back to 7 days, empyrion, and will sometimes flip on the SNES to play some old fashioned games.
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Right but the reason Google has this tool and so many use it – is because search trends correlate strongly with overall interest and active players. Its not a direct metric, but a correlated metric.
In no way would search trends have a negative correlation with playercount – so the overall point here is the same; interest has declined during a specific time where we should see a boost up. There is no boost up, so infer from that what you sensible will.
Yeah, and surely those games are not failures because they currently have low player counts.
Or heck, had low player counts back when they released.
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Just me, myself, and I on the SNES. But the others, its all RIOT and independent server hosts.
No it absolutely doesn’t.
It is not representative at all of how many people are playing a game. Period. You’re pulling that out of your rear end. Someone searching for Diablo 4 Season 1 isn’t guaranteed to be playing the game. They might be, but there’s no way to correlate between searches on google and active players.
I do understand the difference – I’m a psych grad. But this isn’t about any personal disposition or not, its about what needs to be done to keep this game alive beyond august 3rd.
Reply to Kynmarcher.
So your point is that google search trends absolutely do not correlate with real player stats.
//activeplayer(dot)io/diablo-4/
Yes they do – 600k players gone, this is a difference of 200k compared to search trend metric.
Solid post. Any game company that understood this and lived by this philosophy would be successful in creating great games.
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I don’t believe I misused any terms, if you think I have – feel free to quote and refute. Also note that things have different distinctions within the oxford psychology dictionary of terms than general definition. Narcissism traditionally implies an overt sense of self importance, but within psychology we put this in context of NPD (narcissistic personality disorder) – whereby the individuals behavior directly contributes to their own lack of wellbeing and health. The term ‘narcissist’ is derived from a Roman poet who referred to a character called ‘Narcissus’ who was infatuated with their own reflection that they could not look away and starved to death. A selfish person would go eat something to nurture themselves, but the distinction here with narcissism is that it impairs their ability to do what is in their best interest and wellbeing.
Now that I have that out the way – your point is that the players retention should be praised – that it is ‘impressive’.
https://activeplayer.io/diablo-4/
negative 600k, 3m down to 2.4m
Like I said earlier – thats a huge drop and if people want to keep ‘white knighting’ and ignoring it, then you will see a much bigger drop on BG3 release. Do you think players will drop BG3 and come back to D4? I don’t think so.
Right now, Blizzard has an uphill battle to try and salvage the game – and against the clock of BG3 release. At this point, I’m not even sure it can be salvaged.
Ill end on this – regardless of agreement or disagreement, acknowledgement or deflection; if we stay on current trajectory then this game will be dead before next quarter. So its up to you if you want to support that resolve or not, and right now you’re supporting it with “everything is fine” mentality.
We could get into a link war over the definition and pathology of narcissism, but as someone who has actually been in relationship with someone who was/is narcissistic BPD, I don’t see the point. It’s like someone arguing with you about the definition of an IED after you stepped on one. It’s also a telling deflection on your part. I will say the tone and trajectory of your posts don’t serve your argument.
However…
Your view of player retention is not how ARPGs , or games work in general. All games drop off after release, usually steeply. Live service games cycle. D4’s current retention is actually impressive overall. I expected it to be much worse. As I said, I don’t mind the game but I’m no fanboy so don’t really have a bias either way. I’m just looking at the numbers (such as they are - only Blizzard knows the actual numbers).
LOL… complaining on a forum isn’t the way to change things… it requires you make a game that sells millions of copies proving you know what you are talking about… I have zero issue with D4 aside from the few things I’ve complained about elsewhere (including things like harder renown farming in seasonal play and some performance issues). The patch? Didn’t affect me in the slightest (though to be fair I don’t have a level 100 character… close, but not yet). I have noticed that I have to drink potions much more often, but that’s such a small issue for me that it is barely worth mentioning… to be honest, most of the complaints I’ve seen are complaints about what the patch notes say and not actually personal experiences with data to show how these changes MASSIVELY affected gameplay. But you can certainly believe what you want to believe and keep thinking that complaining on a forum is the path to getting what you want… but it’s a lot less effective than you think.
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Bravo, well said my man.
Dude ignore all the intellectual wannabies whose only strength is picking apart semantics. The spirit of your post is awesome.
Having said that, there is a real sense in which - SOMETIMES - devs know what we actually want more than we do. Of course there are a million qualifications for that etc etc., but still.
[edit next guy literally picks apart the semantics of a few words… grim indeed]
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lol, I stopped reading your nonsense at this point.
You really have no clue…