Oh yes, also this.
This is just how games work now, you pay for the ability to play the game. Not to own it, whether you, me or anyone disagrees with this, this is how the world works now. Regardless of how, ideally, it should or shouldn’t be.
I disagree – it is community consensus and popular choice that actually attends the needs of your playerbase. I’m not 100% sold of doing a voting method for intended changes – as i mentioned this can create bot issues that skew consensus. The main point is to collaborate with us rather than going “here surprise, all the things you didn’t want and nothing that you did want”.
If you’re making a triple-A game and popular choice is not relevant to you – well that is a sure recipe for killing a game. Popular choice = player retention.
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Im just tired of major gaming services dumping on us. This is starting to turn into poo world, no fix just mindless garbage and ignoring the player base. Its always about someones pocket book. The sad part is people probably paid for the pass and skins. So there is a player base just funneling money into said pocket book. Im only lvl 17 on season 1 but the way its looking itll be collecting dust here soon. Just what I wanted, to run around the world re-collecting waypoints that shouldve stayed unlocked. Did I not explore the world enough to unlock those or run to bosses and legion events that spawned in the middle of nowhere, forcing my hand to ride through emptiness. Then its even better is I get to repeat the same mediocre side quests and repeat dungeons to rebuild reknown. To unlock the final reward worth a damn 4 measly paragon points…
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What he is saying is…listen to the player base. The vast majority of us are screaming out. We want this game to be better. Rolling back the patch is the first step. Trust is already broken and will need time to repair. If the campfire chat is simply them providing us with their rationale for the changes, without any talk of rolling back many of these, then they will have lost most of us.
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That would only make the game worse though. While it wasnt a perfect patch, there was far more good than bad in there.
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Mini tangent: To be fair you don’t need to no life to play this game. Just a matter of making time. I see a lot of “well if you’re an ADULT with an ADULT life then you’re too busy ADULTING to have time to play!”
I think that’s a BS take on things. If you truly want to do something you will do it, you will MAKE time for it. No amount of responsibility will or can stop you from doing what you want to do, do what you gotta do and then do what you want to do.
Apology for the rant.
While you can reference the past, it does nothing to promote a better way forward. Look at the growing trend for blockchain games – where players actually do own the game as both shareholders and voters. If you’re averse to change, then you’re condemned to never progress and grow.
It is problems like we have seen here with design philosophy and execution that beckon a need for player collaboration – afterall, you may not feel you know better than the devs, but certainly many do. The point of gaming is to enjoy yourself, not to feel like you’re going to work for the sake of fulfilling the needs of the diehard 1%ers that have all the freetime in the world to play.
To be clear, the Forums are mostly where you go to complain or get confirm your bias for your views. There are as many if not more folks who play the game and never bother to read or comment on forums. You cannot say VAST MAJORITY with a straight face… maybe a vast majority of the 10% of total users who read the forums.
This doesn’t look good…
| Diablo 4 Live Player | Users | - |
|---|---|---|
| Online Players (1H) | 10,356 | |
| Active Players (30D) | 6,125,502 | |
| Diablo 4 has lost (30D) | -624,612 |
“On average, Diablo 4 sees about 1,020,917.00 peak concurrent active players each day.”
–However, I haven’t seen more than 150,000 on since the patch.
…and NEVER have I seen the number this low, even at midnight EST.
These numbers make the game worse, I know that!
What time is this campfire and how do I join? Will there be open comments? Not asking to spam slurs or anything but to offer some feedback and spitball some ideas off their empty heads. Like for starters this patch and this season 1 release, also the paragon boards. We have 7 or 8 boards as a sorcerer but we are capped at 225 points to include into that. Completely ignoring all the other boards. I wanna play to fill the boards like bingo. “Play as you want” was a ridiculous statment when we are limited to how we can play.
You should go play those games… Blizzard is a business not a hobby or a charitable organzation… their goal isn’t to make you happy, it’s to sell their product. If the two coincide great… but they will do exactly what their sales tell them to do… while you might see a bunch of angry folks posting on the forums with the delusional idea that they know whats best for the game, the truth is if they had ANY talent for game design, they’d be making games, not spending time railing against game developers on their forum.
Its not BS – its just the situation of things, and also the majority of the playerbase. I’m not sure what your suggesting, if we should shirk our real world responsibilities to “make time” and prioritize a game over that? I’m sorry, but kids need to eat, wife need attention, boss wants more overtime, and friends need social attendance.
The point here is that they’re designing towards more grind while not realizing that the majority of players do not want this.
I agree, although I’m sure there’s tons of people who aren’t happy and DON’T say anything either to be honest.
But I think forums, not accounting for silent quitters, are a small percentage of the actual community. And as you said, people tend to come to these forums for confirmation bias and essentially, an echo chamber.
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How on earth can player counts, even if we pretended they are accurate, make the game worse? Player counts are irrelevant.
So instead of simply accepting what should otherwise not be acceptable, I decided to do something about it and hence the thread. Yes I could of chose to write nothing and accept the mediocre treatment like perhaps yourself, but that is the difference between those who take the lead to change things for the better, and those who passively accept whatever they get irrespective of their preference.
I’m saying do what you gotta do then do what you want to do.
There is no “but I didn’t have time” you always have a choice and you always can make time even if it’s just 30 minutes, an hour, whatever. There is always ways to make time for things you want to do. I have a 2 year old I need to watch and feed, I have an S.O. to spend time with and watch movies or hang out, I have a job to do and money to earn. And yet I can still find time to play.
It’s not this impossible task that everybody makes it out to be and I will never understand it unfortunately.
Probably the most inaccurate and nonsensical comment on this thread. Player counts is a metric for literally everything else – revenue, appeal, retention. Sorry but that statement is opinionated hot air. I think you will struggle to find even 1 other that agrees with your point.
None of which relates to quality, which was the context.
Surely nobody here believe that a game with 10 million players is better than a game with 1 million players? Nothing works like that.
Well quality i would say is another relevant point – its also correlated with player count.
“The patch was needed, the patch made things better.” How do player counts make a game better or worse." Are you kidding me? Think like a Blizzard shareholder…
–Is all the press surrounding the game positive or negative?
–Wouldn’t you WANT to see player counts going up, instead of down?
From a business standpoint things are not looking good for Blizz.
Although, maybe they don’t care anyway. Microsoft will take them over. Act/Blizz CEO will get big pay out and bail. The company already has our money anyway.
Be honest with yourself though. Are the metrics moving in the right direction?