They dont have to lower the drop rate. Stop listening to Devs and think for yourself. Noone likes nerfed drop rates, you dont have to do it, you shouldnt. Look at what they did with Uber Uniques, nearly EVERYONE is happy across the board.
You know what happens? Supply and demand takes care of that, as it has in every game and market in the free world.
They are trying to get SSF and Trade players to accumulate at equal footing, which is absolutely fine.
Here is where you and I differ, and where the subjectiveness comes into play, that I dont think you completely understand.
If I was playing SSF, and two people wanted to trade, I wouldnt care. That is what im talking about is subjective. I have no idea why you are going off spouting nonsense numbers that have nothing to do with what I am talking about, yet I gave you a reply anyways lol.
Trading hurts noone, except maybe fragile egos.
Also, I never said drop rates are subjective. You assumed that. I said the idea that trading hurts people is subjective. I say that because trading doesnt hurt me, but hurts you somehow.
If you can give me an example that trading hurts you and me, ill concede, but I dont think youll find any valid arguments.
You couldn’t sound any stupider than this. You are saying to ignore reality and imagine because reality says you’re wrong.
You have proved my point in one sentence.
They separated trading from everyone else because trading affects base gameplay dramatically.
Thanks for admitting you’re wrong.
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That is just blatantly false.
Indeed it is.
Blizzard should have done that before allowing any kind of trading.
My only issue with trade is outside uniques with friends theres no need. Im the only druid in my friend group and everything drops with class specific affixes like willpower so even GA stuff is no use to anyone else. They should make a transmute main stat affix at the occultist maybe?
I guess you have no idea what youre talking about, starting with insults and such. nice!
Source? Just because you want things to be uber rare, doesnt mean everyone is the same. There are many reasons S4 is hailed as the best so far, and improved drop rates is one of them. Stop pretending guys, its kind of sad. Im not sure what it is you two are trying to hold on to, but its not happening.
Hence “noone” being false.
WOW, This is still going on? The way this game is setup, They would need to nerf the drop rate considerably in order for anything to have any value. And we all know that would happen.
Then there would bots farming gold and their owners spamming buy cheap D4 gold @ youso dumm.cornflake . Then would come the massive complaining about how gear cost billions and billions of gold maybe even trillions. Then finally, The rage quitting. We all know this is how it would go down because it happened before on D3 it happens on any game that is monopolize by trade.
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And they’d reinforce it being even harder to get into for new players raising the skill ceiling and learning curve considerably. This would reinforce the need to buy gear to compete even more and help the RMT market considerably like in ‘other’ games.
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Scroll up a bit. I was responding to someone else not the OP. And me and OP do not agree. Trading is not amazing. It only benefits kids and walltet warriors/gold sellers. Normal players get left out, Because REAL gamers do not use third party websites to trade or buy their gear.
And I specify the solution. The only way to have trading and cut down the RMT influence is make trading more convenient and easy in game than out. And that would be an AH.
Go look at PoE trading system. That one benefits resellers and scammers. Because they can fake a sale they can manipulate the market to buy cheap sell high.
Flat AH is the answer. But imo D4 is not a game for trading at all. D3 style party only trading as far as i would take it.
Because the game barely lasts 3 days now SSF.
I’ve only used trade to sell items, haven’t bought a single item or material.
I beat the game, did every torment boss, Lilly, and t100 pit. I didn’t buy anything, and am using the gold I’m getting to further progress my toon for no reason besides fun.
You not wanting to trade has absolutely no impact on the entire rest of the game’s population.
Right-now, if they magically popped an AH into the game, it would have LITERALLY no effect on you as a player trying to be “SSF”. Trade already exists, you’re already ignoring it, so LITERALLY NOTHING WOULD CHANGE.
I am not ssf. I take gold to run people through high pits. Or do peoples tormented bosses for mats. I am under no illusion the people paying me 10+ mil to run them through high level pits are buying their gold. Which makes me not a legit player.
I would use an AH. I will not use a third party website to trade. Is principles. Since the dawn of online gaming it is people with that live and let live attitude that has made the RMT thrive.
When i played EQ RMT were nothing more than beggars. They literally sit in town and acted like they were new players that needed help. To what they are no practically running the ingame economy.
But i think if you read my other posts I am not really in support of an AH in D4. The game the way it is should have a party only trade system. And they need to remove all the penalties for grouping and add some incentives. Because as it is you only group to get carried or for fun that is it.
Not sure I know a game with trade where I spend 80% of my time trading. If you are implying PoE sure you can spend a ton of time looking for gear for your build, but it is actually good because the game has depth and makes you think. Selling takes almost no time in pretty much any game with trading though so it is more like 95% playing / 5% trading. I guess you can hideout warrior to become the monopoly man and spend 80% of your time trading, but that is completely unnecessary.
Look no further the vanilla D3 AH. I mean it was hardcore in trade sim if you were pushing inferno past act 2.
RMAH would be nice. Get on it Blizzard.
Hmm I was pushing Diablo before the nerfs and I barely used the AH. Definitely wasn’t a trading sim. Grinding out gear to get deep into A4 just took a ton of time. People playing Blizzard games expect to be showered with full BiS. It is the fault of WoW imo. In WoW if you don’t have full BiS you are some second class citizen and the community basically excommunicates you. That translated over to D3 and D4 when in an ARPG getting full BiS should be a practical impossibility.
Even WoW wasnt like that in its golden age. Could take months, or years, to get that BiS drop from a raid.
But these days, yeah it seems like it.
(now, I actually don’t think loot should be particularly rare in an MMORPG, since loot isnt really the focus here, but it definitely should be in an A-RPG)
to be fair, wow dont reset your progression every 3 months, they reset your progression every 2 years
thats quite a big longer
In modern WoW, the patches nearly feel like resets, with catch up gear etc. But yeah, not so much in old WoW.
Maybe you just got insanely lucky. A3 was the brick wall for most.
I eventually beat inferno before the nerfs but it was impossible to progress in inferno without playing trade sim for th gear to do it.
I like a good loot hunt but drops to the AH in D3 was severely imbalanced. D2 had a good loot hunt/mf system where things were rare and also included trade but you didnt need to play trade sim.