This is a bear, slow and powerfull POE 2 VS DIABLO 4 mini thoughts

Don´t know where to put this, but Diablo 4 is screwed when this arrives. Sure DIablo 4 has some stuff, but watching seriously some stuff, the way they think about realism is way better.

Leave me an example, when you break something they have weight, so everything looks like real life weight stuff, also mobs move like they do know where they are going, also you don´t have the issues with pathfinding that you have in diablo cause it moves maybe more slow but also pretty tough, the bear, can roll like a real bear, not like Sonic or Flash.

The dmg you can deal look real, is like you can feel your skills aren´t useless despite a meta (is not released but what i have seen).

So I think Blizz should learn before is too late because maybe Diablo have a good looking, but necros move like turtles when they shouldn´t, they could even have a shadow movement trowing pools and teleporting thru (for example).

Druids are too strong but they don´t feel in sense of movement, they move too fast in the bear style so they oneshot everything. Also comparing to other classes they can become everything, wth? they do storms, they move the terrain, they have companions, they change form, they can do laundry when making food and taking a shower…

Barbs also move too fast despite they have too much weigh due the muscles, and no, having more weigh even having muscles doesn´t make you fast (actually being thin is better to run, so necro should go faster by default due the lack of weight), it´s ok, i get it and i do like barbs jumping, even they are cannibals and they punch me, is nice.

Sorcerer is no sorcerer, they only manage 3 elements, fire, electricity, and ice. OK, but where is soil, where is air? water? also about elements, i have learnt from genshin only one valuable thing, elements need reactions in games. So mixing them they should be the point of doing dmg. Is like they added every skill to druid, and they forgot about the meaning of being the most powerfull of sorcerers (Cause is supoussed that necros are too, and it seems druids too)

Necros are sorcerers of nothing, they have bone, and also bone too, hey, do i have said yet they have big bone?, even now, bone is the only reason people play necro, they don´t have soul powers, maybe teleporting using the soul, man even inmortal have it, or maybe the bone storm could add a bone shield like allways had. And blood should be like draining blood and healing.

Rogues are ok, haven´t played but it seems they are in good state, i like them.

Man i wish blizz understand that they need to play the game instead of making statistics of numbers of copies for thinking they did good or bad.

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I mean that does look sick!

Come on blizz, at least try to compete with PoE2. I know it’s a year away for beta but I’m looking forward to trying it.
You’ve got a year to sort your s**t basically

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Makes no sense for D4 to copy POE/POE2 imo.

Why have two games with the exact same mechanics?

If you prefer one over the other, just play the one you prefer.

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completely agree, that’s what competition is meant to do. You want strive to be better than your counterpart but atm PoE 1 is bounds in front of D4.

We’re coming up on 2 now & apart from a few QoL improvements its another malignant hearts season but with vampires…

No need. They already make more money than PoE by scraping by. It’s amazing what GGG manages to do with less.

As someone who Druid is definitely a top-class

It is a very different take on Druid I think is something key to remember. Diablo is going for the “were” version whereas PoE2’s Druid is morphing into the animal.

Just like with the original trailer for PoE2 which had a quick image of the Druid… I still want to see more. While not a part of current Druid’s “kit” in D4 the shapeshifting between forms was something that was great in the early levels of D4 for Druid and; honestly, something I wish they’d lean into better as that is where the Druid looks the best imo.

The PoE2 Druid does appear to have more weight behind attacks comparing the ground pound of the PoE2 Druid to Slam in D4 the PoE2 bear wins there. In terms of fluidity that wasn’t a good video to judge combat fluidity as it was constantly stopping and moving to talk (I assume) as the fluidity looked horrible but I put that on the presentation and not the class design for now.

I honestly like both Druids at first glance, heh

I dont get the " VS " thing, like we HAVE to choose ? I have like 200 different games and i liked/like each 1 for 1 reason or another. If i find a new or diff game i like better i buy/play it.

Depends on my mood and I go through phases where 1 genre is preffered to another.

Ive been hearing " this game will kill that game " for about 15 years now and id say 95% of the games that were supposed to be " killed " are doing fine.

People are all different and everyone who says " x will kill x " believes it but you only speak for you, not me or anyone else.

If POE 2 comes out and theres a mass exodos from D4 thats normal, alot of ppl including myself will try out POE2 but as long as that crafting mechanic requires 3 different degrees to accomplish ill never buy into that game 100%.

D4’s crafting sucks but POE crafting is WAY to complex. A compromise would be perfect

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Aside from the fancy effects and cool simulcasts of lightning and mini-volcano while channeling, what that demo shows me is the amount of bloat the game has disguised as “complexity.” Why would I need to transition from channeling skills to morph into bear form so I can summon wolves by attacking, and then going around stomping and trampling just to kill one single boss when in Diablo I just cast pulverize and a mob of monsters is deleted. It’s like one of those martial arts movies where the PoE druid is that show-off martial artist that knows a lot of moves but can’t get a K.O. unless he spams them vs. the Diablo 4 druid that only knows how to punch but can K.O. anyone he hits it with.

At least we can now direct the druid body shamers to PoE2 since their druid is thin.

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There is no competing with the Bear Roll.

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I just wish blizz would sell the diablo name to GGG

Actually is not copy, is physics what i have been talking. DIABLO 4 meant to become more realistic and horror than we actually have. So if you have read, that´s the entire whole point and post.

But if you wanna learn about how people creates, is like the egg and the chicken mate. Everything has been an egg before it became a chicken, so if you don´t wanna copy, why don´t you play diablo 1 and leave the rest for everyone else, if your point is just this, you don´t have any feedback to give despite oh no, they are competing.

Look, one thing is to learn from mistakes, and learn from others, because is how creativity works, actually i´m a professional of this, and i can teach you a lot about how to become creative and what you need to learn in terms to do creative stuff. Everything is from other things, and the point that POE was so popular is cause they compete with diablo so they had to rethink everything ccause poe was bit more realistic than diablo 3.

So everything i have said is about realism, nothing else, using logic instead of whatever you wanna say.

This is not a competition against another person, this is life and is a work so if you don´t do your math and your work well you can get fired, you can kill your company, the game and everything. So YES, they need to learn from them, cause they promised REALISM, also they TALKED from years that they would do a “more slow game” using the expresion to mention how classes works and have to be played in terms of being realistic, if i´m wrong, there is no point to make the game so visual realistic because it make no sense to use that concept in a oneshot spam game, that it was allways what they were trying to avoid since diablo 3. So when you talk, use real arguments and read before you read only one word and missunderstand everything and forcing me to read your … just because you didn´t understand the whole post.

Is like you read a book and you only get with 1, 2 or 3 words and you say that you understanded and red it.

PoE2 certainly seems to have much better combat and pacing than D4.
But… it comes from the creators of PoE 1, which has absurdly bad combat in endgame, so it is a bit hard to believe they will actually manage to deliver.

All classes should be able to become everything (or rather, a version of it; a melee sorc and a melee barb should be different, despite their similar focus, etc.). The build should be the determining factor here, more than the class.
One area where PoE did quite well.

:+1:

PoE1 is poo-do but PoE2 looks sick, actually raising the bar. PoE franchise may finally challenge the Diablo franchise and expansion 1 for D4 will need to go hard to secure Blizzard’s lead.

I anticipate an expansion announcement at Blizzcon, so time will tell.

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So basically you just want Diablo to copy.

Don’t really agree with your thoughts at all, personally. Necromancers have been known to be slow, even in DnD if my memory serves. In basically every fantasy game really.

Same for druids, minus being slow. They always have been, typically, able to do a little bit of everything. Magic, pets, shapeshifting, melee, etc.

Barbarian? Muscles does not equal slow and lumbering. If you want to bring real life into it, which Idk why you would bring real life into a video game when the point of them is to escape real life, look at knights or any other medieval soldier. They were strong, well built, muscular, and wore armor. Yet were still nimble, able to roll around, run, etc.

Sorc does not require the ability to use all 4 elements in order to be considered a sorc. This might be the only thing I agree with though, that being they should get some more elements.

Edit: and I’m mostly talking these types of classes in fantasy games at large, or even books, tabletops, movies, etc. not just diablo or the diablo universe.

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Blizzard removed magic arcane to bring Sorcs back to their roots and the fantasy to the primordial/primal Conan the Barbarian vibes of magic. D3 Wizards felt like WoW mages.

I like the shift to more of a D2 style of elemental magic for Sorcs. Your mileage may vary I guess.

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I really don’t mind the Sorc as is now. I kind of like it as is, but I wouldn’t mind more elemental power.

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Sorry? Look i don´t want to be harsh, but i have to talk more than i wanted. I hope you don´t mess with me, because i´m trying to maintain my health condition and still arguing you. Sorry if i say something that sounds rude, is not, is just i have a lot of stress in my life, so is hard for me. I hope you understand and not to become a troll.

Do you know that everything is a copy of a copy? i work as an artist (and learnt everything because i´m learning to become a game dev) from various decades ago, so YES, i want they LEARN when is neccesary to copy other ideas, also POE has copied a lot from diablo so what¿ if you don´t want copies, (that is not the same of plagiarism, specially when you are using reality as feedback) then don´t play games, because just the mechanic of movement and attack or do anything, is the same code than every single game in the entire world. The point and click is the most basic and is not only for mouse.

Well is ok you don´t agree, but saying all what you have been written is like you know nothing about what i´m talking, so you are just here saying i´m wrong (except for sorcerer), so i will tell you. THIS IS A GAME that tries to be realistic and they have been promising since years and years. SO YES, necromancers need to have movements instead of being a turtle, i gave a few examples of how they can improve it (it seems you didn´t even red), this is a huge handicap and you cannot play with others being necro because you cannot move that fast. Man, i have had the same body than a necro in real life and i have ran all my life with no problems, yes i was skinny, and damm you don´t know how much i was fast, even having the worst ASTHMA with alergic to dust (where i live we live with dust all the time), also runing with skates, bikes, etc. SO FREAKING YES, move faster-

Also necro players and others too say the same, and blizz already stated that they did a mistake, so you are wrong on it 100% is not about personal opinions, is about real facts. DND is nothing, if you want to compare DND add elves and dwarvs…man…

About Druid (you should specify more, cause druids comes from celtics, not dnd or fantasy, neither necromancers, cause african people did have myths about necromancy and they make the mistery of zombification when they went to Haiti and found a globe fish, that is pretty much the context of a necromancer, to have dead people working for u, is not true fantasy), i only said that the bear really moves like a bear in poe 2 and i prefer it, specially when you are in a party or world bosses or legions and comes a bear druid running more than everyone and oneshot everything while you are still moving like a turtle being necro (that is the most handicaped in movement) despites they have heavy weigh in this game, so have you seen olimpics peope being this weight to run? do you know that your heart would explode if you do this right?¿, is ok when werewolf move faster, that´s it, because the video is only about how the bear moves and attack. Actually real druids where medics, that healed people, like shamans, etc, they had connection with nature and animals and that´s why they knew what medicine to use, this is the reality of druids.

All what i said from the rest was because sorcerer is pretty much 3 element skills (also they are not the real elements, and in real life there are not 4 elements, you may think the movie 5th element as a reference, but is a movie, not real life), so yes, is not a sorcerer is a half sorcerer, due there are more elements, water, and air, the earth, can make ice, but is still water and air not ice, fire to uses combustible, but it needs air and needs something that can make burn the combustible, i give you real examples. (you can say that nature is earth or another element in life, but give it to druids)

And like i said if you burn with fire that uses 3 elements, (i studied metal foundry so i had to know what i was doing, so they have a triangle, oxigen, combustible and a spark, that´s also how you make fire, if you don´t have any oxigen, or other you cannot make fire)…so fire with hot water, or ice, you get melting so the heat and the frost creates a smoke that can burn everything around and also explode, it´s pretty dangerous, you cannot see here, but you can see it in a gacha chinesse free to play genshin impact, if you use water, ice with electricity there is electrocution (sorry if i say wrong words, i don´t even speak english), so that´s what i said about sorcerer, i know you didn´t disagree but i feel i have to explain more deepth everything-

Actually i can say that because druids also use vitality to become more strong, so yes they are too strong and too tanky. When devs said sorcerer and necros due they are glass cannon and they are more sorcery style, they are or should, and would be more powerfull than anyone else in terms of power attack, so YES ANOTHER FACT.

I have been reading and listening everything they promised since the begining, as in fact, i already knew about diablo 4 before people did know (years ago) because as an artist i look for other references AS REFERENCES TO COPY WHAT I LIKE, cause is what artist does, and i watched a lot of diablo 4 official concepts arts from a few artists i already knew that they were being paid from blizz to make concepts before they even announced diablo inmortal, actually was 2 years before. In fact i showed in the forum the proofs on diablo 3 forums showing the DRUID SPECIALLY, because it was like it is right now, and have the exact same looking, like being overweighted, i already knew and i liked it, and i saw the werewolf and other skills from druid before you even knew.

I play all classes so my points are not favourite class related. Was pretty fun because people didn´t understand that it was a true leak, and a legal, cause the artists where showing their work with diablo 4 official trademark as they usually do to make controlled hype or even talking about. People only messed with me, and here we are with the same thing that i said, just because people want to talk before they understand.

Barbarian, first, i don´t play videogames to escape reality, if i want to escape, i wouldn´t play a game, or be in a reality where people are worst than demons, pretty much the same than in real life. SO…is not very escaping right? the game shows the darkness on humanity that people don´t want to see, is not very escaping instead of facing reality, so the point is the opposite.

Look, as i said, i play everything, because i like the classes and i want more, also i would like more classes.

Continuing, Barb need to be tanky, but man, you cannot compare a fire storm, or a freeze storm nova against 2 handed weapons sorry, if you go pretty well muscled to a tornado, sorry but you will die. Is a fact, not a suposition- And being frozen like this remembers to demoltion man finish him, it was means to be.

Actually i love a lot of things of diablo 4, that´s why i give feedback, i don´t get paid for giving it, so i talk because i want they make the game better, using realistic feedback, not just what i want. If i talk of what i want, then the game wouldn´t be like this. And even the examples to improve the game, wouldn´t exist in my game-

About barbarian, you may think that is from fantasy, and you could say the big CONAN Arnold… But the fact is that is not fantasy, neither druids, that they were healers, not lifechangers, is not fantasy, even necros comes from truth. Barbarians was the name romanic empire gave to everyone who wasn´t on the empire, and then when they changed to catholic church, they did the same, also there are in north africa called bereber, is because catholic called barbarians (bereber=barbarian in their pronunciation) so barbarians never were muscle man, if we use the real barbarians they would look more as FREEMEN from DUNE. I hope you know the reference. But is ok to distort some things to make a funny game, actually that point of realism is boring, that´s why the middle is the best.

So, there is no any class that is not bassed on real life, rogues are rogues, assasins (they have been called HASHASINS since the begining), can be hunters, can be amazons, etc, whatever. They didn´t do amazons, because they are only females. So they changed to rogue cause they didn´t want to do demon hunter again and want both genders. But they are just people specialised in subterfuge and in fast combat, they even have ninja special skills. Like i said, there are no fantasy here only distorted history, that is why we play diablo instead of BLU BLU the monster. We all know hell stories, horns, bad monsters, etc. This game, wanted to be more close at reality and that´s why they used humans as main theme of the game, Horadrim are the mix of angels and demons, and humans are degeneration of horadrims falling in disgrace.

I can explain more in depth about this class and every class but it would cost me a lot of time, that i don´t wanna waste, i give you facts. Is not my game, is ok you disagree, is how you like the game, and is great man, you have your own thinking. But, i only talk here, when they are going out of the way they promised, just that. We can argue forever but i would prefer to be understanded instead of being responded while not being getting what i´m trying to explain, i think i have done too much effort doing something that is only rewarding with people saying i´m wrong or bad things, when man, i can argue with real facts forever with that.

So have a nice day, i hope you enjoy the game, as i´m doing, i really hope you get what i show, instead of only having a parcial opinion (and personal), remember i´m not giving a personal opinion, i never do with things like this. I cannot talk about space ships science, but i can talk forever with this stuff. Good luck, i see you in the hell. :wink:

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couldnt get through that, 1 thing i have to say is its just a game… any1 that upset about anythiong in any video game needs a vacvation from gaming/forums, get outside and enjoy rl.

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That’s like saying I’d still load pubg when rust and day z are out there, good games do set standards and if good enough will kill competition

POE2 is looking absolutely fantastic, but there are two competing sides to the current circumstances.

With a 2024 beta release, we are looking at a 2024 xmas or 2025 release for POE2. By then, d4 would have made significant improvements, and POE2 would be, in spirit, playing catch up, and trying to meet huge (and probably unrealistic) market expectations.

The other side of the same coin is that, POE2 would also have a lot of opportunities to study the shortcomings of D4 and adopt all the good things that came with it.

THAT SAID, it just means that players are going to benefit from this competition. I am not complaining at all since we can play both.

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