Developer’s Note:We’ve received feedback that players would jump into a party, have a member of their party pay the material cost to summon a boss, kill the boss to earn the rewards, then leave the party. This behavior felt unfair to players who were paying the material cost to summon the boss, so now each player must pay the material cost to reap a boss’ rewards from their Hoard.
So I see many ppl happy with the boss change in that everyone has to open their own chest as a solution to leechers (which since boss mats drop like candy wasnt an issue).
Why were you mad at leechers? Because you did not get that run of loot. They left and you missed out. What these ppl are missing is that the solution they gave is worse than the previous problem. Now every single run you miss out 100% of the time. 100% of your parties are just “leechers” now forced by Blizzard as each person is only opening their own chest with the only bonus in a party being the chance for 1 more drop.
EDIT ADD EXAMPLE:
Example A → 1 set of summons S7 in party = 4 loots tries minus leechers for you and each person.
Example B → 1 set of summons S8 in party = 1 loot try for you.
How do you get example B to work in example A environment? You need 3 leechers. Its as if you summoned first and then 3 leechers left party. This is the new system.
How are ppl missing this? This is not a solution. It made it even worse. 100% of the time you miss out on the loot since rotations dont work anymore.
Are ppl getting what I am saying here?
What do you think about this?
Still like this change now with this explanation of what actually happens?
Who cares. Its not like mats are rare and those leechers are just going to RMT.
They need to take it 1 step further and move the summoning mats into the materials tab to give us more stash space. This will also get rid of the duped boss mats and RMT of this item.
Im just trying to point out the solution the devs gave to the problem made it exponentially worse if you look at what happens now. 100% of all of us are now solo only leechers. Its just a mind boggling solution to a problem that as least from my view was disappearing but that was with endless mats dropping.
It attempts to tackle the leeching problem and also promotes group play the way D2 did with more drops based on size of people in party. But this is somewhat equal to rotas.
I guess Id look at it differently if mats were rare.
This is stupid. My friends often would open boss runs for others in group. We dont care if someone had less or none as getting them geared was priority. If this change goes forward they effectively kill playing with friends. Absolute garbage solution to help a minority of friendless losers.
I agree that this is just an excuse to reduce efficiency when it comes to obtaining Ancestral Uniques or Mythics. It seems clear to me that for the next season they want to make it difficult to acquire valuable Ancestrals.
When you are doing Boss rotations and someone doesn’t contribute when he is supposed to, you kick him out if you are the leader or just leave the Party if you are not. Leechers are not a problem because they can’t leech for so long. They can benefit at most from one round of your mats.
Not true.
If the leechers stays for last, it would get THREE free loots before kicking / kicked out.
IS that fun?
For me, no!
I abommine leechers, so i stand 10000000% with BLi$$ in this change!
Way to go.
Keep it up!
Up to 3, I agree, but only one round of your mats. Maybe the 2 other party members don’t care.
The leechers were those who used to wait at the entrance of Duriel’s Lair saying they needed help. I would check their gear. If the profile was private or the gear all Mythics, no. If I noticed that they could benefit from a bit better gear, I would invite them to join me.
I still list Boss Parties from time to time not asking for contribution but can’t decide who joins. Never kicked anyone out but would rather have players who need it to join.
Yah but look at what happens now. All of us are forced leechers. Nobody can help anyone else anymore with summon unless you are going to trade all your mats away and then you dont get the loot from those. Free runs are dead. Helping noobs is dead. Helping frens is dead.
I’m not gonna tell it again, i’m tired of arguing with a wall…
Free runs will still be there, but every SINGLE player has to have the open key for the boss chest.
Got it?
Or you want a drawing?
I generally only do bosses solo or with my clan mates when they are on line. The exception being when someone in the Trade chat asks nicely for help. So not necessarily a big deal solo but is not cool that my clan mates have to pony up. We generally share between each other and is not really a problem. Sometimes I may have a ton of boss x mats and one of my clan mates has a bunch of boss y mats.
As it seems that Blizz is constantly trying to encourage/force players out of solo games this would be counter productive to that end
Don’t care I do them mostly solo anyway. The only change will be I won’t have to say in trade chat “Anyone want to tag along for loot, in this boss I am running X times?”
So yeah I guess newer/lower leveled players lose out on that.
Dear lord…
On one hand, someone (many) says we’re basically “Swimming in Boss Materials” - which is essentially the case.
On the other hand - people freak the hell out and " omg a leecher ruined my Boss run/Day/Life they should be arrested! It’s a SIN! A heinous unforgivable CRIME!1! "
Yes I exaggerate but the question still stands:
Overreacting much?
Settle down.
If y’all are so 1337GG’s a leecher here and there should be nothing. Just a blip on the radar - heck not even picked up BY the Radar it’s so minor.
Blizz USED a NON-ISSUE as the reasoning behind a Change they wanted to do ANYWAY.
It’s called - Problem Reaction Solution
They either create a problem (false flag) or they overstate something that’s minor, React to it with “We have a Plan!” and then publish their FIX as a Solution.
They were going to 100% CHANGE THE BOSS LADDER SYSTEM ANYWAY
It’s one thing to see items being Duped.
It’s something else to watch Pleyers get Played AND Duped by this sell-a-change-speak they pulled.
Kind of funny.
That not a free run. Free runs dont exist anymore. Free run was when some guy like me invited you to party and you summoning wasnt needed. This is gone.
My point is Bliz made all of us leechers. We are just in party still with a chance at 1 extra item. The thing everyone feared with leechers now just happens on every single summon every single time. This is my main point.
This guy gets it. They invented this entire thing up because when you break it down its not a solution to anything that they claim. Its turned all of us into leechers if you look at the big picture so they had alternate motives.
Wrong again. How can you be a leecher if you have to have the key to open the chest? What are you leeching? The boss kill part? The was never a leeching part, or will ever be…
Anyway you miss the point of a leecher. A leecher is someone that got free loot without no investment.
S8 you will have to invest to have loot. No leeching. Got it?
As i read it there seems to be an underlying premise that it’s from the perspective of people who do rotas, be that carrying or leeching.
Im not sure the proportions of player base that get involved in it… it doesn’t feel like it’s large to me. A lot of people seem to prefer the ability to solo that this game offers and find grouping to be a bit of a hassle.
I’m not sure the problem was that wide spread and so too the solution would be too.
I’m vaguely recall they also said it wasn’t designed to work this way too. Ie rota to make mats go further. I might have to double check that, but it could explain a bigger part of their motivation.
If it wasn’t for these forums, I’d never know that the problem existed. To be honest, I’m scratching my head, because while I sort of get the original problem … I don’t get that it’s a problem. So I opened this boss with my mats, & this total stranger comes along with me, gets his loot & leaves, & … I dunno, riddle me this, guys: why is that such a big gosh darn issue? What am I missing?
You were not missing anything Aumvaar. You are right.
Lets do an example.
Lets say you were going to summon duriel 4 times in old way. There is 1 leecher so the party got the loot for 3 summons. You used 1 set of summons.
In the new system everyone is a leecher now. You have 1 set of summons and now you only get loot for one summon. Its as if your whole party were leechers.