That’s not paying to win tho lol early access… It’s not like Diablo 2 where you have a head start will make you better …
not even a cosmetic item. Not even a canon lore entry stating your character died before D4 in an in game monument to the horned gods destroying the hornless. The horn is infinitely more valuable than either of these.
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meh i dont think that your name on a statue will give any power in-game so it’s not exactly p2w but i see where youre coming from.
Creo que deberias ir a Wikipedia y consultar muy bien primero cual es el termino P2W.
Porque lo que te pasa es que te escuece que otra persona haya tenido esos 20€/$ que tu, por tener “HASTA 4 DIAS”.
Ve a la farmacia y compra crema. O por hierba de Hyrule, como prefieras. Solo eres otro /cryer que ni siquiera tendras al juego y solo vienes a prender fuego.
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Having more time in a game does sound like a type of power. In a grindy RNG game, maybe the most significant power there is.
Someone mentioned running a marathon with a head start earlier. No advantange in terms of the act of running, but still an advantage, surely (as long as the competition is based on who finishes first, and not who finishes in the shortest individual time).
You don’t have access to that emote without paying money. And it’s not like you have no chance at being one of the first 1000 people to reach 100 HC if you don’t buy EA. There is a skill component.
I just find it difficult to square people willing to no life dozens of hours for a competition, but don’t want to buy EA. In most US states, $20 is less than an hour and a half of work at minimum wage. How could one be so passionate about a HC competition, but has no interest in EA, but also ok with spending $70 for full game to play on release? Theoretically if I cared about the race, I couldn’t win because I have a full time job and couldn’t invest the hours to do it. Is that fair?
If feel like we’re trying to invent some mystical gamer that can’t afford another $20 on top of $70 to play a game day one, but also is super passionate about a HC race to get their name etched on a statue. How many people are in the center of that Venn diagram?
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out of season im okay with it, still shady but not too bad. if they pull that early access for season1 or any season for that matter, that’s not gonna pass.
I agree it is not particularly bad. And I dont care the slightest bit about the competition in the first place. But yeah, I think it is fair to call it out as a shady practice.
If Blizzard started to directly recognize World First WoW raiding, they would also need to make sure all regions where on equal footing, otherwise it is just silly.
Although this is true, you get to #1 on the leaderboard by being powerful. If the leaderboard was for “who spent the most money this season” nobody would care about them anymore. If anything it would be a joke and #1 would be mocked.
Would it still be considered P2W at that point? If the number 1 spot was a level ten that had no good gear, but they paid the most money to be there? They wouldn’t be the strongest or “winning” by most standards.
If paying money doesn’t make your character stronger, or save time, it’s not P2W. Early access or not it’s going to take the same amount of hours for someone to hit level 100.
I mean, if you want to get really granular with it, you could try to say the contest is P2W, but the game is not.
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We are inventing nothing.
Those people exist. AND their existence is irrelevant to the argument anyway.
Early access just became even…closer (if not outright) pay for advantages.
If you think 96h (minus 5x4 for sleep unless you pull a Raxx) headstart (when casually leveling to 100 is about 150h at most) still leaves ANYONE with ANY chance to first 1000 you are definitely inventing things.
They could be 18 and jobless? They could be not from the US with your hourly pay?
Is that fair?
Yes, because it’s not related to the game and monetization. That’s a you problem that doesn’t involve money going into the game or how Blizzard is trying to milk this.
Just because it’s unfair to less people (since less care) doesn’t make it fair.
Also, then they should go right ahead and make it time based. Fastest gameplay time to 100 in HC with a deadline of 1st of July. Then it would also solve your “can’t/don’t want to take days off from work” problem. But no, they did it this way.
Funny how the argument is “if you care, just pay for it” while in a thread about how this is p2w.
You don’t have access to that emote without paying money.
Yea…but you can do all content and get all titles and win all leaderboards and pvp all you want (and be crushed by lvl 100s that bought early access, for the first few days) without wings. Imagine them making lvl 100 pinnacle boss only challengeable if you have a certain season exclusive 25EUR battle pass armor equipped.
Now, some name on some statue isn’t an in-game boss…but it is sort of like a leaderboard that ppl care about and that would alter their experience of the game.
It’s only competing if you are trying to win. 
This post had me in bouts of hysterical laughing.
It’s a competition that favors people with a ton of time on their hands more than people who buy EA. A person with regular access and a ton of time has an infinitely higher chance than me winning who is buying EA but doesn’t have the time. But I’m not whining about it because that’s my personal circumstance, though to be fair I also don’t care about the reward or competition. but I’m mature enough to know that even if I wanted this, I understand that I can’t get everything I want and real life comes first.
I don’t think this is pay to win because it doesn’t offer in game power. But the competition is unfair for people that can’t afford EA (but somehow able to afford a $70 game on release) and for people that can’t no life at launch. It’s like the raiding word first on WoW. There is no ability for anyone to compete except sponsored guilds that all no life the game. People without the time can’t possibly be first.
In the regular game, leaderboards and pvp won’t be time gated allowing for most people that play that game fairly often to compete and not just no lifers.
Why is it not ok for P2W (which is dubious in this case) but it’s ok to no life to win.
It’s not P2W.
End thread.
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4 days early access isn’t P2W.
If only the rest of the world lived in your bizarro world.
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P2W is paying to win instead of playing to win.
The people participating in Early Access aren’t able to skip any part of the grind, they still have to play just as much as anyone else to win.
Having an extra $20 in disposable income just buys them more time to play. In that same way not having a job buys a lot of you more time to play than I have, so even though I bought EA I’ll never be in the top 1000.
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Rumor has it, after 450+ comments on this thread Kroni still hasn’t confirmed he is playing Hardcore… Just lock this trolls dead thread already.
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So?
The Streamers and content creators had a 10 day start so is that pay to win?
Early access only get’s four days and this was something that was announced from the beginning.
I can get to the finish line faster than the worlds fastest 100 meter runners, if I get a 10 minute early start. Even if I technically dont skip any of the 100 meters in the race, I still had an advantage.
Sure, but the big difference in that is, Blizzard are not selling a “not having a job”. So that literally can’t be pay to win, due to missing the pay aspect. But yes, not having a job is an, um, advantage, for the race too. Just not one that Blizzard makes money on.
They didn’t pay so technically no its not P2W.
But yes that too is an issue and they should bow out, the issue here however is that Blizz has specifically stated Diablo 4 will not contain P2W elements.
They said nothing about bad practices when it came to streamers, so it has nothing to do with the topic at hand.