After 5 days of grinding Season 1 to try and get to 100 I’ve come to the conclusion that the current state of leveling in this game is not enjoyable for an ARPG casual player. The amount of time spent feels like starting a character in Classic WoW not a Diablo title.
Getting to 50 takes way too long. I tried the current method of resetting strongholds to maximize XP per hour and was getting on average 3-4 levels per hour of gameplay. Counting time to manage inventory, upgrade items, complete season quests and chapter etc that’s 20-30 hours of grinding stronghold XP just to be able to unlock tier 3 and Nightmare Sigils.
Once you clear the capstone you start Nightmare Dungeons for XP there is nothing waiting for you at in World Tier 4 or at level 100 other than more of the same. This is not good motivation to push to the 70 capstone and level 100. The XP slows down a lot after 50 and much too soon in my opinion.
If nightmare dungeons are intended to be the end game (post 100) loop there needs to be something else to do while leveling that rewards as much experience. Or there needs to be some other content to play at 100 so you have something to look forward to as you work your way up to it.
what?
have you tried maxing your level in D2 ?
or maxing paragon in D3 ?
getting max level / paragon in D4 is long for a diablo title ? really ?
Also, that aside , lv 100 shouldn’t be a goal you should feel forced to do
it’s ok to stop at lv 90-ish and make another character / build if you don’t like farming much.
much like it was the case in D2 : most never got to lv 99
Comparing apples and oranges IMO. You don’t need to get max level in Diablo 2 to play the hardest content. Nor do you need to get to max paragon in Diablo 3 to push higher tiers of Greater Rifts.
Currently in Diablo 4 getting to 100 is a requirement to push 50+ nightmare sigils. The grind is too long and I would wager many players will never make it that far.
It takes only a few hours to get to level 70 and paragon 800 in D3. Maybe 8-10 hours of gameplay to get to level 85 in Diablo 2 and start running pits/chaos/baal/TZ.
This is probably 1/3 the time it would take a very efficient player to get to pushing 50+ sigils in D4.
once again , in your post you are talking about max level.
and said “diablo title” as if getting max level on the others was wayy faster
which is not
was mostly fixing that
as for pushing 50+ sigils it could be said the same for D3 if you talk about rift though you could use an arbitrary level of rift to say the same thing.
What I’m talking about is that the end game loop and leveling content are the same thing. And there is currently no clear motivation to really push to world tier 4 and level 100 other than bragging rights.
Very much this. Have you tried getting to max level in D2? PoE? Or paragon 3000+ in D3?
All of those take waaay longer to reach than level 100 in D4.
They have nerfed leveling enough already, any more and it would be a joke. They’ve already stated they will be increasing mob density, so that will help a lot too…
No they should be designed around leveling Glyphs, and once you are happy with your Glyph level you move on to different content.
The problem is there isn’t different content and by the sounds of the developers the objective is to try and add “harder content” for beyond Sigils, not “more content” which continues to mean Sigil dungeons will be used to level regardless.
It usually takes me 2 hours or so to get to 70 in D3 solo, but people who are good at season start power leveling I think that’s actually realistic. I think the record to 70 solo is like 45 minutes or something, probably less now.
Yeah sure, but level 70 in D3 is not at all what max level is in d2, d4, poe… In d3 level 70 is when you can start to actually play the game, even 800 paragon only takes a couple of days, but gl doing a 150 gr at 800 paragon…
If you think of it just in terms of end-game content and finishing a season, you can do any end-game content in D2 at 85+ and it takes only hours to get there if you get rushed, maybe a day or two solo.
In D3 you can finish the season journey in a couple of days solo. There’s no real reason to do GR 150 and most D3 players never bother.
In D4, getting to 100 is part of the season journey unless you can do uber lilith before 100 or want to do 15 world bosses (but you can probably get to 100 first since the boss timer sucks and the average person will miss most of them).
Ok, they should just change that world boss requirement to be like 3 or 5 kills instead of 15. Then you can finish D4 season in 2-3 days also, but I don’t really think leveling should be any faster than it already is.
Tell us you’re bad at games without actually telling us. Getting to level 46 took me around 8-10 hours, beating the capstone was piss easy. Then another 12 hours to get to lvl 58 with optimising gear, easily beat WT3 capstone.
Now another 12-15 hours I’m lvl 71, leveling isn’t hard, you’re just bad.
there is no endgame post 100. getting to 100 means you beat the game, the issue you are experiencing is blizzards failure to properly increase exp required to level post level 85.
a person playing 18 hours a day for 3 months should barely be able to hit level 100.
but level 85 should be reachable within 8-10 hours of play. thats the thing they failed at.
level 46 in 8 hours?!??! what?
another 12 to 15 for level 71?
just absolutely mind blowingly slow. thats very very very slow for a diablo game. level 100 should be almost unreachable, but level 80 at least should be reachable in like 8 hours.