Lore Discussion: The Vizjerei

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As far as I know…there’s only one quest that allows you to interact with a deceased member of the Vizjerei mage clan in D4. It starts off with a side quest called The Speaking Stone. You can get it in Gea Kul in Kehjistan from one of the fisherman.

Anyway, back to what I actually wanted to discuss about this… :face_with_raised_eyebrow: Were the Vizjerei always rotten to the core? Or did something happen where a Prime Evil corrupted them from within, similar to the Que-Hegan of D2?

The spirit trapped in the statue claimed that the Vizjerei ushered forth a “golden age” in Sanctuary…which, piecing together what I know about them, is a literal pile of :poop:

It is mentioned in one of the games that they were a corrupt group of summoners, bringing forth demons and in general, corrupting the land and its people. In D3, if you pay attention to the Bestiary entries–narrated by the dashing yet somewhat cowardly Abd-Al-Azir–he tells you that the original Khazra/goatmen were originally humans from the Umbaru tribe. He goes on to mention that it was the Vizjerei who corrupted them, turning them into the first Khazra.

At least in my mind…that does not really sound anything close to a Golden Age. Idk, maybe they were all that delusional :laughing:

Unrelated yet somewhat related, though…I bought the expansion, and have been to Nahantu, and have filled the whole map out 100%. I have found corpses labeled “deceased Umbaru Priest”. Did not know any of the Umbaru actually remained human after the Vizjerei sank their claws into their tribe. Or perhaps it is just the name of an order of Priests/Shamans in Nahantu that share the same name? You can get a side quest from an Umbaru Priestess to do something for her, but I won’t go into the details. Spoilers and all :sweat_smile:

Does anyone know? Or do they tend to leave their lore rather open-ended, a-la-Elder Scrolls games? Idk, maybe it’s not even mentioned at all…which is probably a worse thing, imo.

Edit: Darn…why doesn’t anyone want to discuss this game’s lore at all? Imo it is the better part of the Diablo game’s experience. It is mostly why I play these games tbh. For the Campaign/main story. And even for the self-contained lore in D4’s side quests.

Thought it was a very good topic. Wasn’t really praising anything, yet wasn’t complaining, either… :cold_sweat: Maybe that’s the problem…need to complain more :laughing:

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This is a good read. Thank you.

But hated the VoH campaign story telling.
Waaay too focused on that woman nobody cares.

Maybe I should spend more time on the side quests to learn the game’s lore, but the VoH campaign makes it hard to stay motivated.

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just dropping it here real quick. Always good for a quick read :slight_smile:

the lore is rather well documented, tho, stuff can be added, or even changed of course, but yea, as of now, you are good to go there =)

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I do not want to be Neyrelle’s follower anymore. If I never see her or that useless bag of bones Prava I will be happy.

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I assume you are talking about Neyrelle? I don’t get the hate towards her in all honesty. Without her, the game’s story would not be what it is. Although you could argue that without her, the events in the game might not have gone as sideways as they did. However, someone else would have had to take/use the Soulstone. And it could possibly have been/easily could have been Lilith instead of Mephisto. If it could have absorbed them both and survived having both of them in the stone–that would have been hilarious–wait for them to duke it out, and one of them kills the other. Although…if they did that, the stone would have one super-powered demon in it, so really…the stone likely would have shattered. Especially since it was tailored for whatever kind of demon Astaroth was–not a Prime.

Definitely! It is worth it to learn some of the lore piece by piece by doing the side quests! I’m sorry you didn’t enjoy the VoH Campaign…I’m obviously not a dev nor have any kind of ties to the game itself. Just sad that not everyone found it engaging, like I did.

Firstly…because I am essentially the self-appointed forum grammar police :rofl:, I think you mean “bag” of bones.

Either way, I agree with your sentiments on Prava. She may not have directly murdered anyone, but she was still guilty of murdering Vigo by insisting he be put in that torture suit.

If you talk to the Penitent Admonisher before going to see Prava, he will tell you that “it is capable of uplifting the wearer directly to the Light! Can mere ‘armor’ do that?”

Talking to him further, the Admonisher says “faith, not flesh, moves the suit. The exact method has been lost to time, though.”

Obviously, poor Vigo was not instructed on how to move this suit through faith, and the sheer effort, coupled with his injuries from the Campaign mini boss outside of Balance’s Sanctum, killed him in the end…plus I imagine they tortured him before putting him in that suit. Prava might not have twisted the dagger into Vigo’s heart herself, but she is still guilty. Would be happy for her to vanish for good, and the Cathedral with her. Her dying isn’t necessarily off the table, either.

But I have to disagree with your dislike of Neyrelle, too. I don’t honestly see why people don’t like her…but yeah. You’re definitely allowed to feel that way and have that opinion. Just not clear on the why of the Neyrelle hatred :confused:

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The game should be about us not her. Now that she is free and back home hopefully we can move on without her.

They killed off Rathma and gave you magpie.

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Hmm…me me me??? :laughing: While I agree that the protagonist should be the focus of the game–having other characters share the limelight with them is, at least imo, what makes a good story. But yeah, I suspect she will stay a part of the story for a while. To many people’s dismay :sweat_smile:

Edit: Thank you @Nyurei! I read the entire thing and now know who Izel (the spirit in the statue) meant when she referenced the Viz-Jaq’taar. I assumed they were assassins sent to kill the Vizjerei, but it was nice to have confirmation.

uhh…I’m assuming it’s due to something lost in translation…but could you possibly explain what you mean by they killed off Rathma, and gave you a magpie???

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The Vijarie (or the Vizjerei) Mage Clan:

The Vizjerei are a faction of mages in Diablo 4 who are often portrayed in a more morally ambiguous or “evil” light, primarily due to their use of dark, forbidden magics. Their practices involve a deeper, more insidious connection with powers that can be described as dangerous and corrupting. They are known to experiment with forbidden sorcery, dabbling in the darker aspects of magic that others would consider taboo or immoral. Their magic often ties into necromantic, demonic, or corrupting influences, which leads to a reputation for being malevolent and dangerous.

The Vizjerei’s use of these dark forces contrasts with other mage factions that seek to harness more stable or “pure” forms of magic.

The Zakarum Sorcerers (The “Good” Mage Clan):

In contrast, the Zakarum Sorcerers are associated with the Zakarum faith, a religious order that follows a more righteous, orderly, and light-aligned path. The Zakarum mages focus on holy magic, drawing their power from the Light and using their abilities to defend against the forces of darkness, rather than wielding the corruptive and dangerous forces like the Vijarie.

The Zakarum sorcerers are seen as “good” because they align their practices with ideals of protection, healing, and order, although there are always nuances and potential flaws in the Zakarum faith, especially considering the darker moments in Diablo 2 and Diablo 3, where the Zakarum’s leadership has been corrupted. Still, their core principles are more aligned with light, righteousness, and the defense of the common people.

Key Differences:

  • Vizjerei: Known for using dark, forbidden magic (necromancy, demonic forces, etc.). Their practices often involve corruption and experimentation with forces that go against the natural order. As a result, they are seen as morally questionable or outright evil.
  • Zakarum Sorcerers: Practitioners of holy magic, aligned with the Light and the protection of humanity. They use their powers for healing, defense, and fighting against evil. They are typically viewed as good, though their faith has had its share of corruption in the past.
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I appreciate you adding your own spin to the thread, Vanilla…but someone further up the thread posted a link that explained much, if not more of this. But thank you for playing! (adopts Apu voice from The Simpsons) Thank you, come again~ :laughing:

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Oh! I didnt see that ty!

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You’re very welcome! But no worries to be honest. You are not capable of seeing everything. No-one is. Unless maybe you are a spider and have more than 2 eyes, lol :rofl:

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If i remember, Jazreth (Sorcerer of Diablo 1 becoming the Summoner in Diablo 2) was a Vizjerei mage like Horazon.

Their know for their knowledge about demons and Khazras.

Viz-jun was one of the former place of the Vizjerei clan, or Viz’jaktar, or Viz’something.

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Yes, I had seen this in the link to the website someone posted…was not sure what this Season’s battle pass was referring to regarding Viz-jun. But now I know :grin: