Level scaling sucks

[Synergy-2575]

Don’t try and belittle others valuable information. 70+ means anything over 70, which is not true. WT4 scaling stops at level95. IS THIS STILL NOT CLEAR TO YOU!?

[TJGaming-11649]

I suggested a scaling solution here: Having level scaling and still being good!

[Summoner-2596]

@Caz-1594

LOL That’s not the reports from people in 70+ content, but whatever you wanna believe, mate.

I am doing 73+ WT4 content with underleveled character and have no issues. I believe you though, because a lot of people don’t know how to optimize their builds and/or play the game.

[Latimere-1192]

So in other words you have no idea what the players above level 70(since you have yet to experience it with your level), are talking about and just need attention?

[Trollzor-2988]

easiest solution would be remove the aweful scaling and let us level alts faster to be faster on the same level with friends. Theres no point in trying to get stronger if everything levels with you

[PGru-2575]

wow, such a blasphemy

[Hihot-2611]

On today’s live chat they have avoided answering a question about lvl scaling wtf

[Heathen666-11697]

how do you know that?

[Mythos-1489]

@Zivisx-1894

Enemy level scaling being used as of writing this is not being used in Diablo 4 in a good way.

Level scaling overall is not necessarily a bad mechanic. I will do my best to explain this view point and you can agree or disagree. If you do disagree try to explain your view point, I don’t mind at all. This opinion is coming from playing each character to around 15-20 in the beta and now having a level 30 necromancer summoner focus. I do understand people are saying that world tier matters and once you get past 50 things change as that is the cap on world tier 1 and 2; I will address this more later.

• No Sense of Progression: As stated above I have been playing a minion-based necromancer and I don’t feel any sense of progression what so ever. Each area I go to feels like the last. Each minion I unlock or summon is just as effective as the last. I’m only level 30 and it’s felt like a grind with no gains since level 10. I understand that maybe when I get to 50 and the world tier cap is hit that might make me feel like I have a better sense of progression but the early levels should be exciting also and not feel like a grind to 50.
• Environment Exploration: I don’t care where I go and have no hesitation or excitement when going somewhere new because I know it’s not going to be any easier or harder than the last area.
• Living Word: In contrast with the Diablo 2 enemies felt like they had a hierarchy. You didn’t want to fight some enemies if you were under leveled. You sharpened your skills on what you could handle before progressing to the next area. This game doesn’t have a feeling of each enemy having some story or place in the hierarchy. I never have the excitement to see how tough a new enemy type is because they won’t be any stronger than the last one. Each enemy might have some type of gimmick but it doesn’t make them harder and at the most it makes it take longer.

Overall, the entire sense of progression and drive for me to see the next area or enemy and see how strong they are is destroyed. The game feels shallow and catered to a different breed of gamer than what the original Diablo games were designed for. How would I fix this? Since I didn’t work on the game that’s not an easy answer. The game could have hard limitations in its design that might make some alterations very difficult. Since I don’t know the limitations ill speak as to what I think would be the least invasive.

• Region scaling: Make regions scale to a degree. Each region should have a more unique feel and idea that if you progress to an area, you don’t know it could end poorly. For example, an early game starting region would be infested with fallen and the game would cap the enemies between 1-10. Once you got past 10 the enemies would never scale up further and you could / should be able to easily roll over them. Another area would be capped at 5-20 and mainly contain bandits. You get the idea…
• Dungeons scaling: This is where I would say the game should scale to the player. By this I don’t simply mean the enemies should be set to your level but the enemies themselves would adjust to your level also. For example, you go in to a dungeon at level 5 and its full of fallen and fallen shaman. If you went in to the same dungeon at 50+ it would be full of Balrog and greater demons.

As it is now, I will play the game to 50 and see how I feel then. I must say I’m not enjoying it nearly as much as I would like. I feel the scaling is the main culprit. If I don’t think the scaling is going to get adjusted / improved ill probably be done with this game sadly.

great post and summary of why level scaling sucks

[Latimere-1192]

@Hihot-2611

On today’s live chat they have avoided answering a question about lvl scaling wtf

I agree they also blew off the social issues. I don’t understand why two of the biggest issues are dismissed.

[RealHawk-2946]

I love Diablo 4, it gives the feeling like I play Diablo 2 again and feels like it tries to go back to it roots BUT they ruin the whole game with level scaling.
I don’t feel the progress anymore like I am not getting stronger at all.
Seeing level 10 players killing the same mobs just as fast as a level 40 players is weird.
Such a shame…

[AngelWings-1263]

Did the same with WoW. It’s a dumb idea when you’re supposed to grow stronger as you level. That’s the point of an rpg generally, and is core for any arpg. Way too much WoW design influence in D4. Likely development shortcuts.

[Ecchym0sis-1537]

The level scaling is ATROCIOUS

[TimmyP-1110]

How? How can level scaling be one of the best things, at all, when it dictates nearly every single aspect of the game’s design? I would venture a guess to you not understanding exactly what scaling impacts.

[Jerighoho-2114]

I also need some answer.
I’m level 50 and went to t3 but now everything crushes me so how can i find gear for t3???

[Latimere-1192]

Simple, remember when they said it will take over 100 hours to get to 100? While doing that long, drab, boring af, and pointless grind you will find gear.

[Jerighoho-2114]

yes but you missed something in my comment.
I never understood what damage/defense % are good to keep because for some reason some are worthless and for another reason not explained.
So now I’m level 50 in T3 not able to kill anything to gear up so i guess i’m stuck with an over leveled charr with bad gear.

[JJLXL-1785]

Magic

20 characters!

[Latimere-1192]

@Jerighoho-2114

yes but you missed something in my comment.
I never understood what damage/defense % are good to keep because for some reason some are worthless and for another reason not explained.
So now I’m level 50 in T3 not able to kill anything to gear up so i guess i’m stuck with an over leveled charr with bad gear.

Sadly there is not right answer here. It all depends on what class you are playing. Ranged or melee. Also your abilities. I use a Pen shot build which used poison so I have a defense that gives me less damage form poisoned mobs. I would advise checking out Maxroll.gg if you have not yet.

[Softan-1982]

So potentially hundreds of dollars depending on how good characters you have on the account.