It's not even fun for casual players

I play an hour almost everynight and never passed 80 on either my eternal realm character nor my seasonnal character. I can feel the pain for you. But is the leveling itself really the problem here or the lack of early fun content… I really enjoy the game passed 50. Helltides and NM dungeons pushing is fun and challenging to me. But farming renown, most grim favor and normal dungeons are not challenging enough like NM dungeons or are impactful enough like helltides. I would love to see grim favor more like mini helltides event and bump the 1 grim to 2 grim so went you finish a grim zone you have enough to go to the tree.

It is both lack of fun content and leveling itself.

People want to level up in this game because of how the scaling and progression works.

I love the story so I have done it 3 times. I dont have to play wheres the most XP as just doing the story can get you way past 50 if ya follow it and kill everything.

Best comment I’ve read in a minute, thanks for that.

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Final Fantasy 7, 8, 9 and 10 have great stories and feel to them. As for other genres, Silent Hill 2 for horror story and Metal Gear Solid 2 for action story if you ask me.

now keep in mind that blizzard wants you to do this every 3 months.

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I feel the same as OP. The game feels like a chore. It doesn’t feel rewarding. The gear is very bad. Why am I getting Level 40ish gear in Tear 3? Tree of Whispers is a waste of time versus the crap rewards you get. Helltides? Same lousy gear in the Helltide Chests. There’s nothing to do in EndGame that feels fun. I rushed through the Campaign to get here. The campaign was actually fun…But whats the point of playing it again when there is no good gear to shoot for. No good build diversity? Every Toon plays and feels just like the next… I was hopeing to invest a bunch of time playing this summer. Now Im bored as F…

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Im lvl 58, Im as casual as it gets, Im having fun.
Its a time killer, thats all it is, I came from D2R and Played alot of War Thunder <—(you wanna talk about a grind?)
Its just a time killer when not living real life.
Im fine with leveling but the lvl 48ish to Capstone, Its abit slow in that area on WT3… Get a few runs in in and before and after work if my toddler lets me.
Point is, im still having fun

Im not trying to White Knight this game, I got to 80 Pre Season and did find myself, Saying well wtf am i gonna do now, try and push one more higher NMD? It did get tedious.

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It’s stupid for a company like Blizzard to sell a game with Alpha issues, and expect no complaints… and yet, here we are :).

It would be cool if we could Level up our Aspects by doing an activity, Like the Greater Rifts in D3. You could Level your gems based off how high of a level you cleared. (But even that would be a copy/paste) Still better than what we have now though.

Comparing your stats and mine, you are most likly not a casual ether.

I may not be a “hardcore” gamer but definitly not a “casual” ether. Maybe “tryhard” is more fitting?

I dont know if it is funny or sad that people dont understand what “casual” means.

But on the other side if you were looking for intelligence, common sense and objectivity you learn fast that at least these forum lack them to a serious degree.

After reading your post, I’ll have to say I agree.

you all call it trash because the lvling proces is to slow for your likings ??? i like the slow proces so i can enjoy the game for a long time.

How stupid do you have to be to really believe this. Every season will add and change stuff to the main game. First online ARPG?

I think they are adding an “i win” button in the new patch, this way all you have to do is log in, hit the button, and you are max level with all BiS items.
but seriously, what’s your goal with D4 exactly? To enjoy the journey or to power-level to 100 asap?

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What i really dont understand is why u even play ARPG’s if u dont have the time. ARPG’s are litterally meant to be grindy and take many hours to finish its in their nature. They were never meant to be the casual players best friend and whenever u try to make them casual they loose their longevity. This is probably why D4 failed the most, too casual for the hardcore fan and not casual enough for casuals. In my opinion there is no such thing as a good casual ARPG it just doesnt work, the game gets too easy and the loot gets boring

your answer doesn’t make any sense at all

The problem isn’t with a game that has repeat replayability in the form of a “grind”, it’s the fact that the grind isn’t actually fun. The ability to develop a character into the playstyle you want then have the ability to grind to make that viable playstyle stronger is where the fun is at. Grinding at a game that is not enjoyable until you finally achieve the max level with the right uniques to make it work isnt fun, because at that point there is nothing left to work towards as an improvement.

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yeah he aint no gamer, mfer is freaking living on this site, i say this guy might just be working for blizzard at this point

yeah exactly, grinding could be incredibly fun.

Look at Monster Hunter, you repeatedly kill the same boss over and over, in fact sometimes you even do it in next generation of monster hunter too, there are a few bosses who reappearing multiple times during the series.

no one complains about it because it is amazingly FUN to grind

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