If a build doesnt allow a player to complete the max difficulty even if its not reasonable levels of efficiency of a meta build it’s wrong.
D3 learned this many times and they buffed alot of sets to make unviable builds playable at Torment 16 for farms or regular play.
Turning this argument into a personal one is childish. It isn’t a ME problem when the game will soon follow onto the steps D3 took in its difficulty climb and you’ll come to realize this later and speak the same tune as me.
Just a matter of time is all.
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well, OP, I have great news for you! With spiritborn you can YOLO your way to victory. enjoy
As a person with ADHD, there comes a point when it feels like progression is simply halted. Paragon levels, gear upgrades, etc slows to the point of near nonexistence thereby practically negating any “fun” that might be had. The entire point of playing is an escape from reality, to actually be rewarded for the time you’ve spent and “work” you’ve done, but when the rewards dry up, so does interest in the game.
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This is the reality of the game until they choose to rebalance everything. My companion druid can stomp torment 3 but not torment 4.
My dust devil frenzy barb can crush torment 2 but not torment 3.
Both are very fun builds.
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You have to set your goals a bit lower is all,don’t expect to run Pit tier 100.
I play my own builds and take them as far as i can. You can pretty much do all the content and farm the same gear.
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Most builds i try for Barb are T3 and stop dead at t4 and pit level 64, They used to work but they don’t any more lol. I don’t play meta builds.
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The problem is the game is designed around meta builds. Want to level all your glyphs to 100 you need to be able to do 110 pit. Want to level to max Paragon, got to run higher pits.
All endgame progression is designed around doing harder and harder content. So homebrew builds don’t stand a chance against the meta flavor of the season builds.
The only way they could make it work is cap difficulty and when the meta players cry that it is to easy ignore them so homebrews can actually do all endgame progression.
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I made 4 home spun builds season 4 on my Barb that could do Pit 100. The nerfs well its almost impossible to make them work now. Serious balance patch is req.
When trying to find more viable builds lurking in the game, there still are a lot of factors to consider so maybe that’s what’s hanging you up. You’ve got:
-Class
-Skills
-Passives
-Legendary Itemizations
-Aspects
-Uniques
-Mythic Uniques
-Tempering
-Masterworking Crits (If you want to go that far)
-Paragon Board Choice & Pathing
-Glyph Choice
Luckily the paragon system is far easier to theorycraft now than before with the denser boards and the 5 board limit. A lot of it comes down to knowing which node clusters will benefit you the most offensively, and which you need defensively. I’m sure there’s different ways to do glyphs but I always at least go for one that will boost the elite damage on board one, and then the crit damage and vulnerable ones. For the other two I usually go class-specific.
In any case there are a LOT of factors despite how “simple” some will call this game. So finding a good build is looking at a ton of interacting systems, but you CAN find something off-meta that will play well. Best of luck!
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So, make your own builds then. I always do. I only managed to do Torment 3 with them this time around, but I could insta kill anything on Torment 3 and I’ve completed everything I set out to do, in terms of item acquisition and activities.
I play SSF and I had a good time. Did not bother me one bit that others were doping Pit 150 effortlessly because, again I’m SSF and they don’t impact me at all 
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Every season I do play my own build.
This isn’t a competitive game.
It is definitely one of the best parts of the game
No1 is forcing anyone to be overpowered. If you need to be overpowered to have fun than that’s a you problem
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Can’t agree more with that
Hi, i’ve been playing mostly my own builds since the game came out:
- s0: necro bonespear with pets
- s1: necro blood surge
- s2: (sorry) meta sorc BL stolen build
- s3: sorc dps teleport
- s4: necro shadow blood wave
- s5: necro thorn minions (modified build of @mir156)
- s6: spiritborn jaguar thorns
Each time they do few times less damage (except of s6, its about x20) than the meta ones, but only because in each season I encounter bugs in my build like non-working aspects etc, which blizz simply do not fix. For example, Needflare aspect (thorns damage around you and minions) doesnt worked with minions for more than 7 months, about this has been created more than a dozen topics, but still ZERO reaction from developers.
I enjoy making my own builds and paragon boards, but im tired enough of skills/aspects not working as written in the game.
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The issue here is your point of reference is D3 and the perverse perspective of whatever happened in that game has to translate to this one.
The quicker you accept that Torment 1 is where all the content in the game resides the quicker you’ll be able to enjoy what’s in the game without feeling “forced” to play in a difficulty you’re not comfortable in and you do NOT have to be in.
Or … and I’m just spit-ballin here … When the homebrews cry ignore them because getting level 100 glyphs and maxing para isn’t a relevant part of the game.
But I mainly ignore them b/c most people I see playing homebrew builds aren’t really building. They are just slapping things together and not willing to compromise to achieve a higher goal. Or are complaining that they can’t do pit 100 with just OK gear. Or are wanting to play lategame with some random skill set-up.
Pit 100 is the extreme end game and should require the best gear. 2-3 GA with the correct stats, High-roll tempers, high-roll enchants, 12/12 MW with crits in the optimal places, re-areanging paraboards for more optimization, giving up parts of the build for better damage or survivability, tweaking numbers to get as close to caps as possible without going to far over or under so you can have more numbers for more relevant stats.
If you want to play your own build than your going to have to put in the work to make it viable. If your not willing to invest the time and effort into making it work than either play someone else build or know that you will hit a ceiling and be OK with that.
I always play my own build. And I always am capable of doing end-game content. I’ve taken 3 100% homegrown builds into late game. All 3 are capable of wrecking all of T-4. And all 3 will be capable of doing higher pits once the gear and builds are completely fleshed out. As an example I have a Druid companion build that has pushed to pit93 and I still have a ton of work to do on his gear. Once he has true late-game gear he will be smashing well above pit 100.
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All these postings are a bunch of bull.
There is no way to get to glyph level 100 without help from a higher level player. And I know that help isn’t there–when I ask for help in trade chat, it isn’t there. Period.
There is some invisible, unknown factor which gives some “anointed players” more dps. Period.
And the discussion groups are all the same person, with multiple aliases. Period.
If your choosing to compete against other players and builds that you don’t have to that is squarely on you and you alone
Could you please post again, in an understandable english sentence? I can’t figure out what you are saying.
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There really is no point to op builds other the bragging rights. I mean glyph to 45 and all ancient gear…game over. Tier 3 is all i farm with homemade builds. I don’t think ill even bother with tier 4. It’s all the same loot.
I started S6 as spiritborn, wanted to stay all eagle build but of course that’s not the most optimal for harder end game so ended up going overpower quill. My wife went necro her favorite class and blood wave build. Now that we’ve done everything we can we started alts. Now shes a poison spiritborn and I’m a melee rogue. A rogue was my first class when I started playing in season 2. Come VOH I’d already played all the classes to max level and grind so I went spiritborn.
It’s one thing to say no one is forcing you to play a meta build and play what you like. However if youre content with spending 20 minutes trying to kill Grig or Varsh so be it. Or tougher things as you try even harder content of course. Some might enjoy that type of challenge but I don’t necessarily. Everything doesn’t have to be a steamroll sleepwalk fest like spiritborn is, but other classes definitely need major tuning and in some cases significant reworks.
Would be in Blizz best interest to make sure classes are more balanced each season. Would keep people playing longer, likely boost cosmetic sales, plus a more populated game.world.