Hi folks!
Ive just got D4. Noticed how depopulated everything is… but ok. Then i found Caldeum. Its dead. So, short of some cheesy lore… the last major City is now dead. Humanity seems to be at extinction point. There should be no realistic way to rebuild that City, or anything of that scale… not enough ppl, let alone healthy ppl. Civilization was wiped out. Assuming any humans ultimately survive D4… it will take thousands of year to rebuild civilization. Everything was wiped out. Its basically over for humanity.
Alreight, cant say i dig it… but fine. Humanity was nearly wiped out off screen, right after D3 it seems. So my question is… what you think happened ? Make it make sense plz. Must have been epic… I mean in D3, i had impression, what humanity and civilization, while hit hard, brought to the braking point… survived. Nope. It did not. But what exactly killed humanity and wiped out civilization ? can anyone put this together for me?
(I mean, i suppose there could be an illusion spell on that metropolis, and Humanity is still alive enough to retain civilization… Caldeum is not dead, it just appears to be dead, as a defensive spell of some kind? Then it could work. But i don’t get a feeling what that’s what’s happening. So… its all gone now. Im just wondering, how did the world die exactly between D3 and D4)
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D3 was set up in some small parts of the continents (red)
D4 is setup in a whole continent…
Green and yellow are the locations of D1 & D2, respectivelly…
So there’s a small overlap between D3 & D4…
LtP
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The Sin war, followed by the events of Diablo 1,2,3 and immortal… oh and the destruction of Mount Arreat, all might have had something to do with it 
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i was excited to see the whole of sanctuary. Not anymore, i’m afraid they gutted Lut-Gholein too, probably. The writing for worldbuilding is awful. The graphics are cool, the skill tree is not PoE challenging, but thats not actually a bad thing… its more chill. Essentially, the game got everything right, except worldbuilding. Sanctuary is really dead now. Kingdoms have collapsed, infrastructure is dead, no farming or any agriculture… no major functional cities… culture is also dead. Survivors holding to life amidst ruins of their forefathers, with no population and skill sets to rebuild… and traumatized and destitute population… so they are not likely to have many children… in a world completely overrun by monsters everywhere. Its basically over, no hope left. That would be a point to open a gate to a new planet, and start over… if the story is to evolve from here.
Well, there’s only one planet: Sanctuary.
No plan B.
And plan A is the reason of the D4 game… Kill’em all…
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Sad. i mean they could do something super cheesy, and magically repopulate it all, and some mage rebuilds the Cities… i guess. But thats a joke at that point. so im not sure how they gonna square this circle. I mean, maybe, everyone run to Lut-Gholein, all the survivors, and now its a thriving City, with libraries and infrastructure… but short of that… i dont see a way to fix this without extreme cheese, which will just cheapen the seriousness of the lore. Anyhow, cant say im very excited for Diablo universe going forward. Genuinely wondering if this is the last Diablo game before IP dies; at least within the context of linear story going from D1 forward.
Malthael nearly wiped everything out isn’t that the cause?
Or am I not understanding your post?
It’s probably the later
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Well, i assumed not so completely. But if thats what happened… then whats the point of D4? If the world died in D3… then, alright, its a wrap, humanity failed, game over. The D4 should of been about mage clan wars, or sin war, or whatever. Why continue the story, if humanity is now essentially extinct ? What are we protecting ? I dont get it
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Because what’s more heroic than helping a world rebuild right?
That’s one way to look at it.
I like this thread
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u are a warrior/mage, whatever. U not rebuilding anything. The population is gone… land is overrun. everyone who is left is traumatized, so realistically, nearly no childbirth… all the skill sets are gone. Then its game over. U cant rebuild from that, u just go extinct and thats that… .i mean, alright, someone survives, goes back into the caves, and maybe in 2 thousand years, they start building Cities again, and creating culture. Then u make D4 not 50 years later, but 2 thousand years later, then there is something to protect. But why now, ater everything died, 50 years later ? i dont get it
But you’re not just a warrior or mage are you…your the nephalem and the nephalem always show up in humanities darkest hour.
Think of it as sanctuaries last defence a warning to whoever tries take over and destroy the world.
i get that… though, funny enough, seems humanity had its darkest hour, and utterly failed. Managed to depopulate the planet without splitting the atom, lol. Im not arguing with you, forgive me, if i make the impression… im trying to understand, who decided to write this, and why… how u move on from this nuke by the writers in the story… They just did total orbital bombardment of the plot. Nephilim, obviously failed, if the outcome of D3, is D4. Humanity was not saved. It was left to rot on a dead world with no hope. Its quite sad and pathetic… also, Heaven apparently also failed, and had done no restitution… so is it even heaven ? What are those angels, who having have unleashed such calamity, done nothing to rebuild the world… At this point, i dont really see any difference between Chaos and Heaven in the lore.
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Yes your right the darkest days have happened and the brothers are trying to capitalise on that fact.
And they play the long game.
Both heaven and hell have wanted to control sanctuary for their own means or better yet to control the the nephalem in hopes to win the eternal conflict.
On the the issue of the writing well…,the game need sequels so they will always come up with a new calamity to justify a new game I guess
Heaven is not heaven at all though. Their angel destroyed Sanctuary… and what they do? nothing. So, essentially, what his name, Kulle? he was right. Thats essentially seems to be the evidence. Chaos and Heaven, are equally dangerous, unpredictable, selfish, proud, and a menace to anything good. Humanity is better of, in the lore, condemning both, and make more of those angel killing swords… and treat demons and angels, as two sides of the same coin… as predators on mankind. Which maybe even an interesting plot line, if thats what they going for… except… humanity is kinda dead… so whats now? is there even any point to struggle for the average human still alive? Are they not better off, at this point just taking themselves out. Demons are not going to stop, they already overun the world, and arguably planning something ever worse… and heaven abandoned humanity, because it turns out they are just as self serving as hell… so… why should humanity even try at this point? what would be the motivating factor ? Whats the pitch ? Say u in Lut-Ghlein now, in D4, lets say the City wasnt gutted somehow, at the town square. How do you convince the ppl to have children, to build, to trade, to live life? How do you sell life to humanity ?
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Yes!! That’s the point heaven and hell are just two sides of the same coin they just have different ways of controlling things.
Really the only angel that got involved was tyrael because he IS justice or was…none of the others cared really.
Both angels and demons fear the nephalem so the next best thing is to try and control them.
As a side note I actually think imperius will be be showing up soon to try and wipe humanity for good… he fears the nephalem most of all.
Great thread
Well, i always played as Mage in Diablo games… and i always kinda backed heaven. Nope. Done. i feel my D4 mage becoming a Kulle adopt. She really agrees with him, after seeing the outcome. Humanity needs to view both as source of extreme danger. Mage clans where right after all. The problem i have… i dont see enough of humanity left, to actually do anything. How do we build a new Mage City, like in the ancient times, and focus on magic and technology, while rooting out religion and cults of heaven and hell, with equal passion. Thats the issue. I hope blizzard gives us something to work with. some part of sanctuary still alive enough to continue the human civilization… because at least one continent in D4, as of now, total loss. I think Blizzard could of done better writing. I really hoping Caldeum isnt actually dead… just a powerful illusion spell by the City mages… because they came to the same conclusion, and hidden the City by an impossible barrier, which from outside looks like an abandoned ruin. That would save the game. Right now, Blizzard left us with almost nothing to build a future with
You, as player, make the future from D4 onwards…
There’s no written lore in D4…
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This…we the players help shape the future
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thats my point though, if humanity is at extinction point, no future. Just a bunch of powerful nephalims running around, and a few survivors, who will die out… and Sanctuary will be left lifeless in a generation or two. apart form a powerful mage, who can extend their life. But humanity itself, the populace… right now, looks like they are on their out, like endangered species in the red book. Looks over for them. N that kinda kills the game for me. I cant get passionate about it, if i know, what humanity is doomed to extinction