Ok, I get tempering should be RNG…I do.
But when I have 3 gloves, that I try to temper just “Minions inherit thorns”, and I get the other 3 MULTIPLE times…you need to fix your algorithms.
At one point, I got “Golem inherits Thorns” 4 rolls in a row. FIX IT. Complete waste of my time.
I get that some people want certain affixes to reroll because they are trying to min-max, but come on.
Fix it.
Algorithim in rerolling stat seems fishy also.
Could not even reroll cooldown reduction on helm using barb and rogue
They need to change “tempering” into how enchanting works…but instead of 3 options to pick we get 2. At least give us a CHANCE to get our rolls.
This is the way I see every tempering attempt I make on an ancestral item:
They need to fix this if I am to not brick every good drop I get. Just simply demoralizing to get a very rare double or triple Greater Affix item that rolled with stats you need, and then to watch it brick in 8 seconds because of 3-in-a-row bad rolls.
Yea there is a video somewhere showing that and telling ya to never roll for +skills because the chances of hitting that on enchanting is extremely low
It’s just shocking that it is pretty rare to get a double or triple Greater Affix item. And when I do get one that rolls stats I am pleased with, I literally dread tempering cause I know I will never get what I need.
Yeah, it seems oddly biased towards repeating the first affix I roll.
the solution
I definitely agree with you on this one
FTLOG? Havent you still found the secret Lilith shrine at Blizz HQ? I hear they bring fresh roses on the hour.
Here is the latest.
I am transitioning my Rogue from Heartseeker to A puncture/Andy build.
So, I am literally tempering just ANY crossbow I get that has the 3 main stats I want. I am not even caring about greater affixes yet. Here is how my last 3 went when trying to just get “damage to crowd controlled enemies”
Crossbow #1 (all natural 3 stats I needed. Didn’t even need to enchant)
Free roll: + Damage
1st roll: +Damage to distant
2nd roll: +Damage to distant
3rd roll: +Damage to distant
4th roll: +Damage to distant
Last roll: +Damage to close
BRICKED
2nd Crossbow (again, all three stats I needed and even better than the first)
Free roll: + Damage to distant
1st roll: +Damage to close
2nd roll: +Damage to close
3rd roll: +Damage
4th roll: +Damage
Last roll: +Damage to distant
BRICKED
3rd Crossbow (only had 2 stats, but enchanted my 3rd stat on it first try)
Free roll: + Damage
1st roll: +Damage to close
2nd roll: +Damage to close
3rd roll: +Damage to close
4th roll: +Damage to distant
Last roll: +Damage
BRICKED.
Now, I am not out a ton of time because I found all three in 1 run of a level 65 NM dungeon and none of them had Greater Affixes. But seriously…18 rolls and not ONE was “Damage to Crowd Controlled”???
Something is massively busted.
That’s how rng works, also you’re talking about diablo, the definining feature of this franchise was how they put rng into EVERYTHING. The creator LITERALLY said he wants the same feelings you get from pulling a slot machine.
i am having problems of a) getting items with cdr on them where it’s the most rare stat b) enchanting items where it won’t roll cdr no matter. i have items i have blown upwards of 200 mill and still no cdr. it’s so frustrating. it feels like the whole system is rigged in favor of trash affixes on every thing.
my first post points out that I get RNG. But what the problem REALLY is is that finding 3 GA affixes that you need on an item is FAR more rare to get than an uber unique now.
And that kind of RNG is demoralizing people.
one of the replies above has a recommendation to the problem.
I propose that if you temper a 2 GA item, you get to pick which one you get, but it still can roll with a low range
If you temper a 3 GA item, not only do you get to pick, but it will also roll somewhere in the top 5% of whatever the max % is.
1 GA items are relatively easy to run across, but still (at least for me) they always seem to have the GA on a resist. Completely worthless GA. I don’t care if 1 GA items or zero GA items stay as it is currently. But to have the same RNG for tempering items arguably more rare than an Uber uniques is just unacceptable.
The thing is that the way the new loot is structured is that they moved the majority of the rare item finding into the GA system. In other ARPG’s if you don’t trade you wont even get items to finish your build let alone BiS. The way these games are designed are so that you will almost never get BiS or if you do you spend the whole season doing it. If you find it so unenjoyable that you don’t get to finish i don’t know what to tell you.
That being said, i do think that some form of deterministic crafting that is super grindy is fine. Im almost positive that PoE lets you craft super powerful items so long as you have the mats and knowledge.
I don’t grind enough like a streamer does to get 3 GA items. I have found 1 x 3 GA item so far. And I have a 100 Barb, 100 Necro and currently a 91 rogue. And that 3 GA item was garbage for stats for the build I needed it for.
I currently also am in the possession of 1 shako and 1 Andy.
I’m saying that I don’t mind the RNG, but the RNG is double-tier’d. Meaning, there is almost NO way that you can min/max the %'s.
Let me ask you this:
Have you ever A. Hit the correct temper but it had the lowest roll on it and then decided to re-roll for a higher %?
If you have, I guarantee you are the same person that would hit on a hard 20 in blackjack too because that would be ridiculous.
No one chances a reroll for a higher % UNLESS you magically hit BOTH tempers on the first free roll for each and decided to chance it.
I can tell you out of the HUNDREDS of tempers, I have never hit both on a first roll.
I stopped playing because of tempering. Such a garbage system and I was sick of bricking upgrades. I’m trying out the new event now but I won’t play again until the expansion if they don’t fix this stupid tempering system.
well, I could be wrong about this, but I think “tempering” is just a Season 4 thing. So presumably, there will be some new system in S5 or in Vessel.
But you’re right, if they do “something similar” to this, I wish they would make it more friendly for the rarity of the GA drops.
Tempering is the new loot system. The seasonal thing is only the iron wolves, and the three elixirs.
Thanks for the clarification.
[Puts on tinfoil hat]
Yeah, it does really feel that the affixes are weighted differently. No bueno imho.
[Takes off tinfoil hat]
Hopefully I am wrong.