What do you think, did any blizzard employee play sorcerer in a high tier nightmare dungeon?
the whole process of choosing the same 4 defensive skills,
being oneshot,
kiting, low damage
what do you think?
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I don’t think anyone on the dev team plays sorc in any capacity.
Imagine if every sorc now had a shako, we still would be the weakest class.
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Sure, Sorcerer might not be on par with some of the OP meta builds of other classes (e.g. some particular Necro, Rogue and Druid builds) when it comes to NM100 or even Uber Lilith (except that Blizzard specially tailored build for Lilith), but it’s faring allright past NM75. You get one shotted anyway by some random ranged attack, whether it’s NM75 or NM100, and Sorcerer has the benefit of being able to stay away from a lot of dicey encounters (except ambush rooms).
I don’t even play with Ice Armor and Teleport and the only thing I’m left to do to achieve NM100 is to find a map without too many archers, without fire/burning resistance and without an ambush room. Yeah, it requires a lot of cherry picking, but I’m sure most players do the same.
what build are you? like what 6 skills?
Hydras = Main damage Spell
Firewall = Secondary/trash clear spell
Iceblade = CC/Vulnerability
Flame Shield = Immunity / Oh ???$ button
Frost Nova = Vulnerability/Frozen. Quite mandatory.
Firebolt = For no real reason. Still wondering whether it’s worth it or not to trigger the 20% burn increase. Might swap to Lightning Spear for giggles, but as I play with a controller, I’m still getting use to changing my buttons to something else entirely, especially from a common spell to a cooldown one.
Frost Nova and Frostbolt Enchant. Yeah, it’s weird. It relies on my hydras hopefully CCing and gunning down everything before they hit me. A lot of hide and seek.
And yes, it’s not easy either way. Maybe with better damage reduction gear, which I don’t have.
So dropping conjurations and running away is your idea of faring alright past 75 ?
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But druid or barb dont die, rogues have a tons of dodge and the whole playstyle is about it, nerco is kinda tanky also, event this classes can do some 600k up to 2mil crits.
Did your fire sorc even do crits more then 100-150k? I dont think so.
Did you clean NM80 in 5 minutes? I dont think so.
I mean, everything is bad for sorc now: aspects mostly are trash, legendaries for sorc is 100% trash except one, paragon board is also bad, skill divercity is too bad comparing to other classes.
It looks devs never played sorc after 75+ on NM50+. We can be proud we can make 90-100NM with this class, but just imagine, others can do it too and also drink cola and watch some tv series on another screen, while you are running around praying for not to be touched by anyone and making every your move perfect (or death).
Is it worth it? Are we cybersport players?
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That’s how I’ve been playing since lvl 10 or so, so it’s nothing weird to me. The only thing I swapped/added was Frost Nova and Iceblade. I’ve always been throwing Hydras and Firewalls all around.
A lot of players are managing NM100 with other builds. Still require cherry picking and finding maps without a lot of ranged mobs. Sorcerer rellies too much on CC for damage.
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Glass canon ? More like break this glass in case of emergency so you can use any other class behind this useless glass.
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I do 4.0M to 4.5M damage per tick. That’s 8M to 9M per second. I cleared NM96. Not in 5 minutes, but what do you expect? My gear is subpar with a lot of 2/4 or 3/4 not even max items.
Barbs apparently get one shoted at NM100, and they absolutely have to go melee with no other way around. Under NM75? Yeah, Barbs roll on every map. Other classes have it easier, I get it.
Sorcerer should get buffed, but it’s not impossible.
No one forces you to even try NM100.
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The problem is that they made premature nerfs to the Sorc based off limited data from the closed/open betas. This also prevented them from making the proper buffs to Sorcs too since we were only able to play up to WT2 and level 25. They had no endgame data to add proper buffs where Sorc’s dps dramatically falls off due to no armor scaling (resistances are horrible) and no dps scaling abilities outside of CC/stagger.
Having played the Sorc to lvl 100 and now leveling up a Druid lvl 77 I can say they should have built the Sorc like the Druid.
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So i do. I am not going higher 50+ because there is also no reason. Still getting tons of sacred loot lol.
I am CL sorc, so its so frustrating how garbage it can be. Wating for 18ths july patch notes, until that just having fun with my trash build and finishing my road to lvl 100.
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I am sorry, but i dont trust you.
There is tons of 100lvl firewall sorcs on youtube, and they had like 50-150k ticks, not millions.
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We’ll probably see some buffs in the July 18 patch. I hope so though. I’m not playing Sorcerer again until it gets buffed, and let’s face it, I’ll need a change of pace come Season 1 so I’m playing a class other than Druid and Sorcerer.
I was quite burned out lately with the game due to how ridiculous is was in higher NM dungeons and the unpending Season 1 date (at the time). I read yesterday, I think, that someone had managed NM100 with a Hydras burning build, so I thought I could do the same. I added Frost Nova enchant (which somehow wasn’t working for me in Early Access), kept the rest of my build as is and it works okay.
Am I rolling on the map? Surely not. The experience is almost akin to early Inferno back in D3. It’s not exactly fun dying often to a crappy ranged attack and as you say, drops are equally crappy.
Thing is, Sorcerer and maybe Barb (according to them) are in a pretty bad spot for NM75+. We can manage, but we won’t roll on the map regardless of how good our build is due to how the class is defined (Sorcerer have to CC/Freeze/Stun/Immobilize to get higher damage, and Barb has to get in close range to even hit I guess).
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Hydras. Hydras. Hydras. Machine gun Burning Hydras. And just to be clear, we’re talking damage against a single target (which means that both hydras are gunning the same CCed target).
Add Chill to your Hydras. It now benefits from a ridiculous increase in damage somehow. Against Frozen and vulnerable, that’s a x5 modifier to your base damage right here. Add attack speed. Hydras benefit from it.
More attacks = more burn, which means higher ticks.
Firewall sucks and are more to trigger Burning on every monster to you don’t get one shoted by any prick who comes too close.
Anyway, a lot of streamers really aren’t that good at testing and theorycrafting either from what it seems, and that’s partially why I don’t watch any of them. They usually do that meta build to get views and call it a day, and most even fare poorly at that. I could show you a video of my damage ticks, but I’m out of town for the weekend. Take a look at that NM 100 Hydra Burn Topic : Hydra Burn - NM 100 Clear
That player does over 11M with his hydras against a single Stunned/Immobilized and Frozen elite and thanks to him, I tried a NM96 yesterday (jumping from NM76). I’m really far behind his damage, but judging by the fact that I was able to achieve 4.5 to 5M per tick without Stun, and without the Aspect in my 2hander, it’s not too far fetched and I somehow believe him.
Remember, we’re talking damage against a single focused target here. It’s bound to be way lower against a group.
Anyway, it’s not the most compelling and fun build to use for most. I hate Iceshards and Blizzard, and I was forced into integrating Frost Nova and Chill to my build because Burning damage don’t scale well otherwise.
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Still, I agree with you guys. Something has to be done for Sorcerer viability and I really hope they’ll balance things sooner than later. It’s not normal for most players to be unable to play past NM75 or having to play hide and seek / Hit, run and pray to reach higher levels (and it takes a lot of time too. My NM96 run took around 30 minutes).
I’m not saying NM100 should be achievable by everyone without any kind of effort, but having to rely on luck and running around more than most other classes makes the class feel subpar.
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Fyi, you can make shards fun by going for a more permafreeze style of it, but you lose out on so much damage that high NM becomes impossible.
necro is kinda tanky ? what the hell did u smoke ? necro has op dmg sure - but after like tier 70 u are one shot from every single atack there is (if u are not in the blood skill which has like 20sec cooldown)
Compared to sorcs anything is tanky tho
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I really would prefer not adding any other Frost spell to my build. I usually never touch Frost and Water spells in any games, and I had to really to go against my fundamental moto here simply to get to WT4… 
I’m more of a Burning, Holy, Poison, Acid, Bleeding, Physical or Shadow kind of player, in that order. Yeah, I’m extremely rigid and it took a lot of willpower (seriously) to add these Frost spells to my bar.