Diablo 4 gets alot of undeserved hate

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Nah, it’s justified. There are too many fundamental issues that haven’t been addressed, even after an entire year, and its endgame is turning into D3 all over again. Good ARPGs have been built on D2’s foundation since 2001, and will be built on PoE 2’s foundation from 2025 onward.

D3 sucked because it failed to iterate on what D2 was, giving us a strictly inferior product. D4 is more or less D3 with better graphics now, and it kind of looks like soup once the speed picks up. Lack of enemy, boss, and biome diversity aren’t doing it any favours.

Once you play it enough and apply your understanding of the genre as a whole to it, you’ll come to realize, as I have, all these new systems only serve to magnify the breadth of the endgame, but not the depth. If anything, it’s lost depth.

There have been numerous movements in the right direction, but there are still too many problems. These are inexcusable given what PoE 1 and 2, which are far and away the best ARPGs on the market, are doing.

  • Boss rotas are mandatory. Nobody with an IQ higher than their BMI will ever do a boss solo, on account of effectively cutting their loot by 3/4.

  • The loot chase is getting handed most of your BiS gear for free, then chasing the same loot with higher stats.

  • Progression is doing the same content with higher stats.

  • D4’s only ““pinnacle”” boss is a tutorial on how not do design a good boss fight.

  • A third of D4’s bosses are Tomb Lord. Who cares if there’s 150 dungeons when they only have a half-dozen bosses between them?

  • No map overlay, which is a genre-standard feature since 1996.

  • No in-game market whatsoever, and no official website/API to facilitate trading.

  • No loot filters.

  • Lazily implemented WASD controls.

  • Exponentially more bugs and entirely dysfunctional systems after an expansion than PoE 2 had on day 1 of its beta.

  • The dev team takes 3-6 months to fix simple issues such as resistances, implementing a gem tab, etc.

  • Seasons with less content than a 2014 PoE 1 league, despite having 2 full development teams working on seasons, plus another development team devoted to live service.

  • Copy/pasting other ARPGs’ systems without understanding their merits and drawbacks (e.g. PoE 1’s labyrinth traps → release day S3 Vaults, Last Epoch’s crafting system → bricking your items with Tempering).

  • Going from “damage on Tuesdays” to itemization so vapid it’s comparable to D3’s.

  • Erasure of white, blue, and yellow items (3 of 5 rarities) due to lacking the intellect to make them interesting and worthwhile.

I could go on, but you get the idea.

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I think what you say is fair but let us know what you think after 6 weeks, you are paragon 280 and you are about to do the Pit again for the 100th time on a class build that kills anything and everything by walking past them

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I’m more concerned that you have the word knight in your name and black as opposed to white, none-the-less.

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You are wasting your time here, you replied to my statement below

I think is because many ARPG streamers make videos about D4 Bad to farm views for their channel, they are the one who spread the hate.

That was your comment to my statement

Wrong. Most of the hate videos come from very avid ARPG players that are fed up with the way D4 has been handled. You cant handle the truth and are looking for someone to blame other than the devs. Why is it that when the game is down bad there is no blame for the team that created the game and is fully in charge of literally everything that happens to it? Why does it always boil down to someone else’s fault? Ridiculous.

And you replied this

You can go ahead and watch Asmongold, Raxxanterax, DM (Darth microtransaction), Quin69. All avid ARPG fans, basically all that three of them play. I don’t know what the hell you are asking here “Streamer but avid ARPG”…Does being a streamer not make someone an avid ARPG fan, or are you just cherry picking here?

You are contradict yourself, Streamer make videos to farm views. That’s their job, all streamers play game as job. It has nothing to do with Avid Gamers

Let me help you here, POE2 is losing player every week. Go check the steam chart for one month trend.

Really? Again, go do your own research. The retention rate on POE2 is pretty crazy. Let me help you out. POE2 had a last 24 hour peak at 428,000, with 311,000 playing just right now. D4 just had their 24 hour peak at 10,000 with about tha

There are so many negative comment about the game in POE2 own forum. Why don’t you go comment there and tell all those dislike the game go Get Good? Stop spamming in D4 forum. There are so already so many D4 bad video to entertain players like you who like to watch them. I don’t watch any of them as most player know D4 isnt a good game. So save your time to spam D4 is bad topic here, it is getting old and sound silly. Go crawl back to POE2 forum and make more thread about POE2 is great, defend the game in their forum.

Log out from D4 forum and uninstall this bad game. Save everyone’s time from reading your TLDR post. Please be gone forever. Bye

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Diablo 4 gets what it deserves tbh. Like right now I could be playing that darn junk they charged money for in the expansion for FREE… but I decided to pay 30 dollars for a F2P game instead :smiley:

D4 would have to pay me to play the VOH expansion… thats how bad it was. And just you wait… there is probably over a YEAR until the next expansion.

So have fun in the Citadel for 52 more weeks! Then you might realize why spending the budget on Co-op only content is the main reason most ARPG players will spend their money… to play ANOTHER F2P game!

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You obviously don’t understand what contradict means, there was no contradiction there.

You must be psychic. All of those streamers also had criticism towards POE2 as well, the devs actually addressed the concerns of the community unlike in D4 land. You don’t get just assume that streamers are there purely to farm views, you know nothing about them. Your assumptive arguments dont work anywhere as they aren’t based in fact. You are embarrassing yourself.

There are always negative comments on any game forum, thing with POE is that those concerns get addressed and have been in only the first two weeks.

No.

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I’ve spent probably 2 billion gold trying in vain to masterwork triple crit GA Weapon Mastery on a dagger and the seven (yeah, only seven times) I got to the third crit it landed on Lucky Hit Chance. So 2 billion gold, countless hours wasted farming and in the end I wind up right back where I started.
Yeah, some hate is entirely justified.

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There is no progression in the game from t2 to t3,t4 its near impossible to find upgrades because they had a bunch of clueless interns ruin the loot optimization. This game deserves the hate. The expansion made the game worse

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You can’t praise them for a game that took 6 seasons to become what the base game should have pretty well had been lol…

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TLDR, those advertisement bot from GGG not even know how format a thread to make it readable.

Dont ever comment on my post, no one will bother like your post lengthy a screen.

Just leave D4 and this forum, no one bother read your cry about D4 bad. Is just such old and silly topic. Every minute you are help is telling us you are not playing POE2, because the hype is over and you rather spamming here.

Again, get lost and don’t ever come back.

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No it is much deserved. It’s not about game play. The overall quality hasn’t changed. It’s the community the devs and how they deal with and respond to criticism and make features people want to see. I tried my best to state my opinions several times on these forums only to be shut down. I read a lot of posts and see people saying all the same things.

The day POE 2 came out with was a real sh show. and I wasn’t up and running for hours. and hours. You know I emailed customer support with the subject like “Ruff Start eh” You know those guys wrote be back on launch day and addressed my concerns. Complete 180 from what they do here. I haven’t played D4 since POE2. I get as far as logging on the battlenet app. then get bored and play other games. D4 isn’t dead by a long shot, but I feel (MODS don’t delete my posts like you always do) how they interact with that people really want to see and play in a game is most def. DOA

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My quotes are on point, did you take a look at the vomit that your posts are? lol

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Nah

They do tho.

True. Im Christmas shopping with the wife, I have plenty of time while does her thing so Im here and will continue to be here. Especially while on the toilet.

Its not. Lemme check real quick…321 watching D4, 57,000 watching POE2…stay mad.

No.

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TLDR, dont bother comment me again. I won’t read until you know how to summarize your post in forum.

Get lost.

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Again, take a look at the vomit you called “Formatting” in your replies. These aren’t message boards from the 2000’s.

Nope.

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Excellent post .

20charsforRod

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No one here bother to read your post. Stop barking like a dog. Time to move on, as I already put you to Ignore list.

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About time. Ill continue to be able to see you clapping like a seal at everything this game throws at you.

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I have not even play D4 for two weeks, I just see dogs like you barking D4 is bad in this forum. Is just so old and silly, get a new story to spam here. I spent most of time playing a game with 2.4 million all time peak players. I am not interested your cheap advertisement of other game in D4 forum. Go somewhere else to advertise.

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Nah, I’ll keep on keeping on here. Contrary to what you think…I want to see this game do well. Hoping that maybe they pay attention to these forums once in awhile, maybe get their act together. Having two ARPG’s worth playing at the same time would be dope.

On the other hand, I bother you a lot and it makes it that much more fun. I thought I was on ignore. You must secretly like me…

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Not really bother me, I am ok to have conversation with you as long as you don’t make those TLDR long quote topic. Is hard to read.

I don’t think the game will improve much in relative short time. As it need budget to roll out new content. It is just going to be incremental QOL improvement every season. They are coping S1 and S2 content and reskin it as Witch power for S7. I doubt anything left they can copy in S8, it will another Realmwalker season. Many think D4 dev is out of idea in adding content or they are not listening. I don’t think they have no idea, they can just port what ever seasonal mechanic from D3 to D4. They just don’t have budget to hire developers to do the coding. This definitely a corporate decision not to spend more on this game.

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