Yep. Confucian collectivism vs Western individualism, in a nutshell.
you have clearly not finished the game on release prenerfs
I do not think there is much to ruin at this point to be fair. Everyone has different preferences on top of that, but getting some QoL changes is not to far fetched. Also fixing the horse riding…
D3 at launch was good enough for me to finish at least, D4 I don’t even want to login to start act 2 in its current state.
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Interesting, I’ve heard exactly the opposite said from a Chinese streamer I watch. That people are much more open to doing free carries and such in the west.
I honestly feel they are making all the same mistakes they made when D3 came out.
“nightmare” and such difficulties
No Torments, just this bastardized “world tier” stuff
No end-game… just “repeat game”
no item sets
no auction house (not that I liked the AH at all, but that’s how D3 was before they implemented the RMT AH which was hilarious)
Lack of classes, etc.
It’s like they went backwards to Diablo 2 instead of building on 3 without the influence of a game that’s probably 30+ years old by now.
I think companies are too comfortable releasing unfinished products nowadays, I expect a game to be good on release, not a year later.
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People aren’t complaining about D4 needing QoL. They are complaining about issues that are resolved by putting in even an iota of effort, they just don’t want to put in the time because they are so used to D3 where gear was just spoonfed to you. The irony is that you honestly think people that are ok with it now very much knowing those QoL will come, because its only been a GD week since its released, are the ones who will be here still while those complaining are going to go off to the next thing b/c they complain and leave to go cry somewhere else.
Nothing makes me want to listen to someone less than “d3 veteran player”.
I always wonder at what point of D3 they are a ‘veteran’ of.
D3 at launch was actually challenging and pushing through Inferno difficulty was not easy.
Ever since D3 started ‘seasons’ and with every season, they kept scaling the damage modifiers and effects of sets/legendaries so absurdly high that everyone got used to the braindead gameplay of getting handed free sets then spamming rifts faster than sonic the hedgehog with zero challenge. It only takes a few days to fully complete conqueror at a SLOW pace.
The game is good on release, your expectation that any and all things should be planned and released without patches is a asinine mentality. Content comes over time to enrich a game. You people have this expectation that everything should come all at once and then not touched. You know how quickly people would lose their minds if nothing was ever added. This isn’t the 80-90s, games come out complete and then content is added through its lifespan. You want to go back to when you waited years and then bought “content” patches labeled as sequel to the original?
Lack of classes?? You sure you wanna roll with that one, chief?? Because I have 25 years of Diablo games that launched with 3, 5 and 5 respectively to throw at you.
I always laugh at this, if loot was spoonfed to you, how many primals did you have last season?
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(Unless you were a demon hunter using the dark ball lightning variant)
Thats a nice disingenuous comment. How about asking how long it took you to gear to be able to run GRifts to try and farm for them.
Grifts literally started at hard difficulty not torment, thats like saying “How geared do you have to be for dungeons in D4?”
You could start Grifts as soon as you hit level cap, the same concept applies to NM’s
It did get better with RoS and Loot 2.0, I remember how punishing Inferno was and how broken the loot system was that it pushed people to the Auction House which we all now know it ended, D3 was very crappy at launch but it got so much better. Now that I was able to play D2R and its fresh in my mind, I was able to make a fair comparison and appreciate some of the fine improvements D3 had. D3 got a lot of hate because it was not D2.5
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D3 was fun at launch, but lacked content and was clearly itemized around the RMAH. D4 is just not fun.
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But that is the constant case you have got this small minority that wanna relive their childhood, thou D2 is quite a crappy outdated game in today´s time and nothing revolutionizing about it. Its weird they would release D4 without the improvesment D3 went through in it cycle, but an game suffering from similar baby diseases we now have to wait to improve.
You can’t just keep saying “they’ll patch it” as justification for the game being rough as hell right now. We’re judging the game AS IS not “as it might be in a few months”.
I hope they do patch it. I hope the game improves. But I’m not gonna withhold criticism and pretend it’s a 10/10 game simply because you have extraordinarily low expectations.
The game has issues. Some more serious than others. If you can’t accept and admit that? That’s a you problem.
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