Current tempering is REALLY bad

[siN4R-2886]

Tempering is the only thing that holds it from D3 Itemization, without it it’s a downgrade and nothing more to it.

[SageBright-1638]

really need to reserved/buy some junks to test the PITY MECHANIC when tempering the truly top gears.

[Hanz-1979]

@siN4R-2886

Tempering is the only thing that holds it from D3 Itemization, without it it’s a downgrade and nothing more to it.

thats not true
d3 itemization problem is that ancients easy come by
2-3 days and you are full ancients, leaving only primals to chase after

this is not a problem in d4
good 2 and 3ga are really rare

[TheZyzz-2409]

@Pathologic-1340

Again; “rng is rng” is an example of extreme oversimplification of a demonstrably easier system than before (easier in terms of getting, on average, better gear). It’s a restatement of “every chance is 50 50, you get it or you don’t”. No, rng is not rng - different chances and subsets of potential outcomes vastly change the likelyhood of a particular end result.

The fact that you can’t temper endlessly for the perfect roll on a given temper has such a minimal impact on the vast majority of players it is functionally a non-issue; rolling the correct temper confers the vast majority of power for a given temper. As I said; for people who are completely min-maxing, it might be harder than before, but for casual players it is far, far easier.

I’m not oversimplifying anything. RnG IS RnG. It’s not because you want vulnerable damage and it’s in a subset of 4 different things that you can control it. You have more chances to get it. Still, It is RnG and you have all players, yourself included, tempering the same stat over and over and over again, because, it’s RnG. Also, I never said we should be able to roll endlessly for the max roll, but the system as is, is simply bad. 7 rolls for 2 stats is idiotic, particularly when you get that triple GA set of gear you were really grindy for. For min maxers I agree, it’s harder, but it’s harder for casuals too, or do you think casuals play to get trash gear as well? Casuals try to min max how they can, with the time they have, so it’s harder, not easier.

@Pathologic-1340

It doesn’t make you lose countless hours farming any more than rolling a bad affix on an item with 4 good affixes did in the past. However, because the last two affix slots are functionally target farmed, the chance of going from a 3-affix item to a 5-affix item now compared to getting a full desired affix item in the past is monumentally more likely. It’s not even close.

I can agree to this, but still, doesn’t take away from what I said. You still need to grind lots of pieces so you can trash them, and like I also said, people tipically try to get at least one good GA piece, so it takes time, the fact that you’re trying to minimize this is beyond me.

@Pathologic-1340

It’s not broken because something is still harder than something else. The same as before; you look for an item that starts with +skills and roll the item around it. The same as before, getting a +skill item with other desirable stats is a “chase item”. Unlike before, it is now more likely that when you do see such an item, it will then become an item you actually want to use because tempering is more likely to finish the item desirably than randomly adding the last 2 affixes was.

I didn’t say it was broken. I said the system is trash, precisely because you now have 3 layers of RnG on each item, and if you want to think about rings for instance and paragon boards, you need extra luck to have the “right” resistance on the ring to play with your paragon board.

Before you grinded gear and played with rerolling a stat. That was it. (I’m not saying this was a good system, it’s farm from it)

Now you grind gear, temper 2 affixes, reroll a stat, and masterwork the item. You have to do more things now, taking into account tempering bricks a lot of items because it is badly implemented. This is giving the player base a sense of being punished, way too many times before you get an item you do want to use. Like many people mentioned before, being punished more than being rewarded. This is not a good feeling. If you get your kicks up with this, kudos to you, but for the majority of the players it’s not a good system. Neither is rerolling a stat (out of a reduced pool of stats, but still) a bunch of times, wasting 200M gold, and not get what you need/want. I understand the need of RnG, it makes sense, but it only makes sense up to a point. Too much RnG, or RnG on top of RnG, etc, it’s lazy implementation and can makes a bad system, like on D4 currently.

@Pathologic-1340

You are. You’re not explaining facts, you’re explaining your perception, which is definitionally and demonstrably not evidenced by the facts.

That’s your opinion. You’re saying I’m explaining my perception, and not facts, but you’re doing what? At the very least, you’re doing the same thing you claim I’m doing, but that’s ok. If you have or want to have all the facts and evidence, because you think everyone else that doesn’t agree with you are not showing facts or are explaining perceptions , I can send you a bicycle as a prize…

[Howard-1786]

@SCRSCRSCR-2415

i’ve got literally 6b and i even stop selling items.

you have sold items, thats the difference.

majority of the people here do not trade, nobody wants to use a third party website just to trade, most of us just vendor trash in game thats it. 10m is not THAT much but it is a lot for something you might have to do repeatedly, like resetting a bricked item.

@SCRSCRSCR-2415

but you keep insisting on more and more. D3 players.

I am not a huge fan of D3 honestly, but bad idea is bad, this is not about D3 or anything, having a system that constantly brick your item is just a bad idea thats all.

[LavaWisp-16837]

@Hanz-1979

@siN4R-2886

Tempering is the only thing that holds it from D3 Itemization, without it it’s a downgrade and nothing more to it.

thats not true
d3 itemization problem is that ancients easy come by
2-3 days and you are full ancients, leaving only primals to chase after

this is not a problem in d4
good 2 and 3ga are really rare

3ga might be rare, but not 2ga. not at all

[Vvin-1767]

2GA with ideal rolls is in fact rare.

[Draknalor-2473]

@ChalkyPalms-1638

players who were not pay-to-win.

and blizzard does not even allow us to do that, they won’t even sell the solution to the problem

It’s sadge.

[Hanz-1979]

@LavaWisp-16837

3ga might be rare, but not 2ga. not at all

usable?
i still have to find one for my build

[LavaWisp-16837]

find them all the time.

[Aysrian-1127]

Any upgrade i find becomes usable, im not trying for perfect rolls either.

[SaicoSoldier-1548]

I have almost 5k hours at Lost Ark, haven`t cashed, and I am not punished AT ALL for playing the game.

This post cant even be serious as you are comparing DIABLO 4 TEMPERING with Lost Ark activities ? lmao dud

[CremeEgg-21848]

I hate bricking items when something nice finally drops, and the negative feeling from the fails is greater than the good feeling of the wins.
But for me the main problem is when you roll the min roll of what you want and instead of trying to improve it you stick with the low roll rather than brick it. Tempering having the same ‘no change’ option as enchanting so you could keep your previous roll would fix many tempering problems.

[Vukotlak-2201]

@LavaWisp-16837

i like the system as it is…

You can keep throwing away your items after 5 attempts.

If they give us a better new tempering system you can keep doing as you did.
You can temper 5 times and then throw it away.

[SpeedyRogue-1187770]

Well, even if i don’t get the temper i want, It does not mean i won’t use the item if it is a good item. Atleast i can masterwork the item. So all is not lost. And there is always a chance to get something just as good and try again.

[SilentThreat-11422]

I actually rage logged today. 5th bow bricked this morning. havnt got a weapon upgrade since week 1. taking a break and venting on forums but to be honest im done with the game for now until they tweak it