Lost Ark is trash but if you think combat is better go play that.
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it wasnt always as “fluid” as i would like but i attributed it to lack of attack/cast speed and such. hard to tell when we can only do the tutorial
a d2r toon feels a lot different at level 20 vs level 95. cant compare.
If the combat was like it is in LA I would have been very disappointed. I was excited for LA and it fell off harder than the Hindenburg shortly into playing it, and the combat was a big part of it.
Having played quite a few games at this point, I don’t ever wish the combat to be a clone of another game - I just won’t play it if I don’t like it. Everyone has their style.
If the abilities feel shallow, unfulfilling it is probably because D4 will follow the trend of every Blizzard game where bonuses and character progression make the abilities more fun and interesting after time and investment. I will say that I feel like some of the classes need buffs to make more builds viable but other than that I am really looking forward to D4.
For starters each class has 19 skils in LA. D4 Classes have 23-24. So no LA doesn’t have way more. More buttons doesn’t mean better combat. I played LA for a out 3 months at launch, ignoring the P2W and super grinding, I’d be playing today if the combat was fun and engaging as gameplay is king for me and it was meh at best, but I wanted to level up and try my hand at some raiding.
Ashava vs LA raids is comparing apples to oranges. LA is a MMO, designed to be an MMO, with raid fights designed to be like MMOs. Ashava, nor any other world boss is designed to be taken on by a coordinated team of players.
A Diablo game similiar to Lost Ark would be excellent. Lost Ark skills seem way better than D4.
Diablo 3 has you running the entire game spamming a single button. I don’t think you can really get a ‘step back’ from that.
Except you can’t combo those in any way you possibly want. In lost ark you can. The skill tree is limiting in this aspect.
As far as more buttons on the bar doesn’t mean better combat, in this case, it 100% does. Diablo 4 is so basic that my grandma could succeed in diablo. It’s WAYYYY too basic of combat. The bosses are basic, the number of buttons is way too basic, the builds are basic, the game is vanilla ice cream.
LA is no more an MMO than Diablo. LA is barely an MMO. I would argue it isn’t and neither is diablo except the overworld interactions and world bosses. Lost ark is all 4 and 8 man instanced combat. Diablo is also 4 man instanced combat.
It’s obvious that diablo is trying to copy lost ark in MANY ways of the game so comparing this is not apples and oranges at all.
There’s nothing coordinated about world bosses at all. It’s just individual play. In fact, they can be soloed even. Even world bosses in lost ark are not coordinated, they’re zerg fests of individual play and dps races. In legion raids, that is ACTUALLY coordinated play in lost ark. Diablo may eventually have combat similar to such, but it doesn’t today. There is currently nothing in diablo 4 that we’ve seen that requires ‘coordinated play’. Diablo 4 has coordinated play in multi-person grift pushing.
If you think lost ark combat is ‘meh’ but diablo combat is good, then the reason you think that is because lost ark is too hard for you…which is totally fine. I’m not saying that’s a bad opinion to have. 0.0001% of diablo players could do deathless inferno legion raids probably. That’s fine.
That doesn’t mean that the combat and mechanics of diablo couldn’t be tripled and it would still be an exponentially easier game than lost ark but more engaging. The build options in lost ark are infinitely more vast because legendaries/skill tree in diablo highly limit what you can put together due to the modifiers of +dmg to skills.
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Great if its so much better go back to to it. Bye.
I know you have to have a 12 iq to play lost ark. If you like it so much just go play instead of whining here on the forums have fun spending hundreds of dollars in lost ark so you can get ahead of other players. Keep the pay to win crap out of games.
This isn’t true at all. I played LA for over 6 months, I raided the highest tiers of content available until I quit (around Kakul Saydon).
There is nothing unique about builds in LA. You find which one is pumping by Korean standards, copy it down to the very engraving choices and then run it in the exact same order, using skills in the exact same order as the build is designed to be ran in.
If anything player choice is completely removed from LA’s building, and if you do decide to be unique in your build, better have 7 friends to grind raids with otherwise people won’t invite you to raid because you have sub optimal engravings.
Hell 9 times out of 10 they won’t even invite you if you’re not a Gunlancer or a support. It suffers from all of the same typical MMO tropes that WoW has suffered with for years.
Now I loved my time in LA, but to say that is gives freedom and unique builds and engaging combat is a joke. What it gives is a cookie cutter build played in the same rotation in every fight and the most engaging thing about the game is dodging boss mechanics which once you’ve got them down, is just a simple game of simon says.
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Didn’t you do just that by trying to state i have a 12 iq or chew crayons. Wow someone has a different opinion on the internet and your first take is to be hostile. You must really have great social skills in the real world. If you like it so much just go play it and skip diablo 4. No one wants to hear about lost ark on the diablo forums. Try touching some grass and have a great day.
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I played lost ark for a little while, The gameplay was fun, but not as good as diablo 4’s for sure.
The game is also heavy P2W and since its an MMORPG at heart, you aren’t in combat most of the time like in a diablo game. You are mostly gathering resources or moving around on a boat. That is not fun at all.
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Careful bring up the fact that lost ark is a pay to win whale is a huge no no in this thread. “Its a completely seperate issue”. Lost ark is pay to win trash.
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This is because there’s a meta option. Diablo has meta options as well. The reason you didn’t change your build is because you’re playing meta. You could make that argument for EVERY game ever. The difference is, the possibilities are higher on lost ark than diablo. That’s a fact.
You also probably didn’t do inferno deathless raids I’m guessing. You literally have no idea what you’re saying if you think inferno deathless raids aren’t ‘engaging combat’.
You’re doing normal/hardmode raids in LFG complaining about supports not queueing and getting carried in DPS because you aren’t running a dps meter.
The people saying “I played lost ark for a while”, are definitely not people clearing end game lost ark inferno raids.
Lost Ark is without a doubt, the literal best top-down action combat ever created with the best, most difficult, most engaging boss fights ever created. Everything else about lost ark is pretty bad, but these things are true.
Nobody is saying they should copy everything on lost ark, but they should expand how many skills are on the bar, add more skills and passives to the tree as it’s less than diablo 3 even. (2 runes instead of 5). They should exponentially ramp up boss mechanics and difficulty outside of more hp/dmg as you go up in difficulty so that the fights are more engaging. They also need to have some areas that have way more mob density for screen clearing.
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on-the-side:
i read somewhere that the lowest iq on record was ~48.
a judge banned him from being able to reproduce because he couldnt give consent or something.
Lol excellent post very informative he must have been a lost ark player.
I didn’t use LFG, I was guilded running weekly raids and clearing them in under an hour with zero deaths and no issues. There were times my guild did struggle to adapt to the raids at the very start but that was overcome pretty quickly until Sundays just became a ‘Clear X Y Z raid’ and we’d be one and done for all of them for the week.
You’re talking about meta options like there is other options in LA community 
. Diablo does have meta options, as does every game, no lie was told there, but in Diablo you aren’t directly punished for not running the meta build, you’re free to experiment as you please. I didn’t look up a single meta build in my time playing any Diablo game in my entire lifetime because it’s just not as relevant, you’re not constantly fighting people for ‘MVP’ (in a team based game kekw).
Yeah i’m sure inferno deathless raids really changed the game for you, new red lines on the floor for you to dodge, very engaging, much fun.
Lost Arks combat was definitely more stylish and flashy. I think comparing them both isnt the best idea.
You will always find positives and negatives to each. Gaming aint perfect, never will be.
The one thing I wish D4 had that Lost Ark did well is how impactful spells and abilities are. Its there in D4, but its not as chunky and visceral.
The combat is definitely better in Lost Ark. The PVP is probably way better in Lost Ark, but we haven’t seen D4 PVP yet.
That said, everything else about D4 is better than LA.
Proving my point. You didn’t do inferno raids. Once again, you have no idea what you’re talking about. You’re also making assumptions that you can run non-meta builds in diablo for end game content. This is an assumption at best.