Yay. Hope you feel better.
There is no reason to be rude. I wasnt rude to you. I couldnt care less what the streamers do and get away with. All I did was tell you the official stance on macroing. Do what you will with it. I dont care what you do. There is no reason to be rude though.
As for the rest⌠yeah the whole game is set up to mash your stuff off cooldown. It has ways of eliminating cooldown. I dont really care about that all that much. What I do care about is interclass balance. After 1.5 years it is still in a terrible spot.
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One input, one action isnt a macro. Thats literally how the game is played. That phrase is copied from another user on the forums about how THEY play. The EULA/TOS is clear. It isnt botting, it isnt an additional program that is manipulating the software. It can be many different hardware capabilities that are being used to play the game. If I want to remap my keys to something else, and my hardware allows it, then so what. Im not exploiting, Im not botting, and therefore it is allowable under the EULA/TOS.
The point is about the state of the game, wasnt negative to the company, but critical about the WAY the game is being played. Whether or not the keyboard is on autofire or the player is pressing all 6 keys multiple times a second, which isnt really that hard, the problem is the gameplay, as it is designed, is promoting this style of gameplay. I was saying, hey, can we go back to when keypresses mattered? To having to decide what skill in the moment is best? Not the style where every key is best as fast as you can.
You are wrong. Since you love streamers so much, even go ask Rob about macros and he will tell you straight out one input = one action. You are ignorant to what the rules are. Again, I donât care what you do but you are wrong about the rules and misunderstand what they mean and what macroing is and also what automation is.
Thats the last thing I am going to say on the topic. If you wish to remain ignorant and wrong, have fun.
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Oddly enough controller users donât have this issue at all. You can hold down a button on controller and it will constantly spam the action associated to that button. Now this can be done on M/KB but typically only for one button. Without the use of software of course.
As others have mentioned using software to achieve the same results is against the ToS. Whether or not it triggers their automated system is another topic entirely. I personally wouldnât risk my account, but thatâs me.
Now what youâre asking for doesnât exactly fix the problem. Youâre just adding more damage for the sake of it. Have you ever wondered why you can spam your abilities that actually have a cooldown but instantly come back up?
While you may think this is an easy fix to button mashing itâll require a lot more work than you could imagine. I donât see them changing this fundamental of the game though. If they do, Iâll be one of the first to congratulate you. Until that time, good luck and stay thirsty my friends.
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Im not saying my solution is perfect, but objectively, you should see that this style of gameplay is problematic. I dont really have the solution, but I can see the problem.
Problematic for who exactly? Spamming abilities is a staple in ARPGs such as these. Even PoE doesnât escape from this. Now PoE eventually gets to the point (depending on the build) where you donât have to press anything, or if you do itâs few and far between.
If the problem is spam though, the solution would be less spam correct? So what does that mean? Longer cooldowns on abilities? People already complain about cooldowns, and now you want to add more. Even having a longer global cooldown would upset people at this point.
Automated skills would suffer from abuse, as they do in PoE and other games that allow it. Just opens the floor to bots being more efficient and possibly tougher to catch.
Mind you Iâm thinking of the other side of the coin here and the arguments that would take place over at Blizzard. I can only see the conversation reaching a stalemate without a logical solution that wouldnât upset both sides. I just donât see it happening is all.
This shouldnât persuade you from voicing your opinion mind you, Iâm just giving a different perspective.
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Ok, but if there is no thought of when to press any of the buttons, and the only thought is to press all 6 as fast as you can. Then the number is arbitrary, which leads back to my original post. Because it doesnt matter, you can put all 6 into 1, and spam it.
It isnt about âERMERGERD CHEATING! IM TELLING!â It is about the fact that it doesnt matter in the state of the game. Quick cooldowns, ok. But 6 button spam during combat 100% of the time is the way it is played? You are being rewarded for not having to make skill decisions. You just press all 6. Imagine the global didnt exist in wow. You just press all skill buttons at the same time and they all fire. Or any other game, DOTA, HOTS, etc, just press all buttons at the same time and everything fires multiple times per second. Thats engaging? Im not saying no one enjoys it, but again, it is just an ASDF simulator.
Itâs really pathetic and lame for disabled people. Take a military vet that has lost an arm. Now they are banned for optimizing the game around their disability. Of course some piece of crap out there is going to use it to their advantage, but it shouldnât even be an issue at this point. Macros should absolutely be allowed.
It is allowed as long as you dont have the game doing rotations or playing itself. You have to be at the keyboard. Also, I just got a message from the forum manager that the post was flagged as hidden, and has been restored. People can cry because they dont like it, and they dont play that way, but it doesnt mean it is against EULA.
" Hello,
This is an automated message from Diablo IV Forums to let you know that your post was restored.
This post was flagged by the community and a staff member opted to restore it."
which exactly is what a macro is doing.
well there are hardware options too for disabled people tho. But yea, they are of course sadly at a disadvantage.
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Lady, you lost. But I do thank you for keeping my post alive and getting it a lot of attention.
lmfao, there are people on d3 right now with 11k para from botting 24 hours a day and you think they care that people use keyboard macros?
Nobody gets banned for it though so vets or whoever are fine. Anyone that says thatâs why they got banned was botting or duping.
Youâre trying to compare other genres and different gameplay mechanics to an ARPG that is known for button mashing. Would be like me saying âwell if I can just hit a light switch in my house to turn on the lights, then what happens if I put a switch on in my car to press the gas pedal down full throttle?â It just doesnât work like that.
Also depending on the build in D4 you definitely donât want to just spam all your abilities as soon as they are up. Yes some builds are made that way, but not all.
I donât disagree with you, but thereâs no real solution here, which is the bigger issue. At least not for the builds that are centered around just mashing buttons as they come off cooldown. You would have to rework the entire system. Which again I donât see happening for this game, or other ARPGs like it.
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Bob - Yeah, the community manager that he told reviewed the post and released it. Itâs fine.
Iggy - Yeah, your comparison is not at all the same. I was talking about game mechanics, using games that dont have the same mechanics as an example. You just chose two unrelated things to compare. Thats like me saying well the graphics in D4 render slower than WoW and you saying I cant compare them because one is a MMO and the other is an RPG.
They both have a skill based system and are in fact RPGS, regardless if one is an MMO and the other is ARPG. The bottom line is that the implementation is poor since the usage and the order is pointless as long as they are pressed, in any order, as fast as possible.
You must be delusional.
Macros are by definition software that allows you to combine key sequesnces. Whether from the provider of your mouse/keyboard or some other provider, they are software. And Software not provided by Blizzard.
Continuing the discussion from A notice regarding unauthorized game modifying software in Diablo IV:
That software for the macro is âUnauthorised by Blizzardâ so is against the EULA.
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Cool story. Tell it again.
Fine if you want a better comparison, letâs go with sports, baseball and basketball, what happens if we add bats to basketball and hoops to baseball? At this point itâs just semantics, you know exactly what I mean. Two different genre of games with completely different gameplay mechanics.
Again depends on the build. Iâm not saying it isnât an issue for the builds that just spam, at least for some people (definitely not all). There are those who like the spam gameplay, thereâs nothing wrong with that.
The issue is pleasing one side or the other at this point. Seeing as this topic doesnât come up hardly at all on these forums, itâs more or less about cooldowns. I would say youâre in the minority on this one. Again this doesnât discredit your own opinion, but look at it from Blizzards side.
Upset a bunch of people by changing how skills work fundamentally and please a few people, or keep it status quo?