BL confirmed bugged by Devs (Apologies requested)

[CtrlAltD1337-1312]

almost as good as the mental gymnastics the people on these forums perform to call a magical construct a robot and not part of diablo lore.

[Myrddin-1520]

It wasnt a bug they overbuffed it

[Phatty-1821]

@CtrlAltD1337-1312

“…those overpowered moments that make you feel like”

feel like you are cheating or exploiting isnt the same as cheating or exploiting.

yes the builds are overpowered and overperforming and are going to be tuned. still doesnt mean they are bugged.

@CtrlAltD1337-1312

ball lightning is not a bug. it just needs another rework like overpower/crit does. tibaults/condemnation is a bugged interaction.

@CtrlAltD1337-1312

like i said. you complain oh noes it does so much damage it must be bugged. that is not proof. i like the trolling though. made me laugh

@CtrlAltD1337-1312

its not broken. broken would imply there is a bug. but there isnt. basically blizzard made a huge change to ball lightning when season 2 patch came out and it made it, yes very overpowered, but working according to the current tooltips. the problem most people seem to have is they are trying to use last seasons tooltips to try and calculate ball lightning and say it is broken. that is not the case. it works exactly as designed, they just didnt have a ptr and test it to find out how op it actually is before releasing the season. now they have previously said they will not nerf over performing builds mid season and will wait till end of season/new season to make balance changes. now an example of an actual bug is rogues able to get 20 combos points with Tibualt’s Will and do 10b damage in 1 hit. that is a broken interaction and a bug, as rogues are supposed to only get a maximum of 3 combo points. that is an example of something they will fix mid season because it is a bug

@CtrlAltD1337-1312

its not going to be nerfed. they have said previously they will not nerf overperforming builds mid season. they will only fix bugged interactions. and it is only performing so well because of the vamp powers. moonlight gives 20% bonus attack speed and ravenous gives 40% of total movement speed…which if maxed on movement is a bonus of 80%. so between 2 vamp powers you get 100% attack speed. take that away and it will be back to what it was before the season. no reason to nerf it, it is just a seasonal interaction.

Quite entertaining…

[Purrsuasive-1908]

But isn’t a bug defined as an error in a computer program? It doesn’t specify who created it, just says it’s an error.

So yeah, Blizzard can mess up and it’s still a bug.

[Ryoga-21558]

@Purrsuasive-1908

So yeah, Blizzard can mess up and it’s still a bug.

The thing is it’s impossible to tell whether or not this was intentional which is the issue with them not being upfront about these things.

[evok-1846]

@Urza-1177

I await your humble apologies!!!

yeah get the hell over yourself dood

[WrathofSin-11156]

@Nailclipper-21245

What do you think about Rogue’s case with Tibault’s and combo points? It’s listed as a bug in the patch notes and it’s nerfed because of that.

If something’s not working as intended, it’s considered a bug. Icy Veins even knew it was a bug from the beginning, in their explanation of why it is highly recommended:

“Tibault’s Will is currently bugged. The Maximum Resource affix on these Unique Pants increases maximum Combo Points for Rogues, instead of Maximum Energy. Each added Combo Point increases base damage when used with a Core Skill, as well as the unique bonus of each Core Skill, such as additional Movement Speed for [Twisting Blades]. This bug has a greater benefit for the [Dual Core Rapid Fire Flurry build], as up to 22 Combo Points can be obtained to fire 27 arrows in one cast of [Rapid Fire] with a huge base damage increase! Enhance this bug with Condemnation for a 30% to max out Combo Points. The tooltip for Condemnation is wrong, as it completely fills all Combo Points instead of generating only 3 Combo Points.”

[Phatty-1821]

I think both ball lightning and tibaults interaction were clearly bugged.

How people are loosely defining a bug, I guess overpower was a bug also (lolz).

[Fellinator-1719]

Kinda strange how the people asking for apologies are those same select members of the d4 circle jerk fan club that feel the obsessive need to post on every thread

[Phatty-1821]

Well, every person on this thread including myself have been involved with mud slinging at one point or another.

Diablo IV Patch Notes

control F - type in bug - see what pops up.

BUG FIXES

• Fixed an issue where Tibault’s Will increased the cap for combo points.

Don’t see overpower problem.

Barbarian

• Fixed an issue where the Bone Breaker legendary paragon node didn’t have a buff indicator.
• Fixed an issue where the guaranteed overpower from the Earthstriker aspect could trigger on Basic attacks.
• Fixed an issue where Charge cast by Ancients spawned by the Aspect of Ancestral Charge did not trigger explosions from the Brawler’s aspect.
• Fixed an issue where Hammer of the Ancients was dealing more damage than intended due to the bonus from the Violent upgrade also being applied even if the Furious upgrade was chosen.

Druid

• Fixed an issue where the tooltip for Envenom displayed its damage bonus as additive, when it was multiplicative.
• Fixed an issue where Enhanced Ravens wasn’t increasing Critical Strike Chance to enemies hit.
• Fixed an issue where the Dire Wolf’s Aspect did not specify that it also made Grizzly Rage function as a Werewolf skill.

[Alexandros-1268]

Good luck with that one

[Dreams-11893]

It was definitely NOT working as intended, but the bug was in the developer’s work and not the game engine. So I guess there’s a grey area.

[Urza-1177]

@Phatty-1821

however, it was “fixed”.

• Fixed an issue where Ball Lightning was dealing far more damage than intended.

Developer’s Note: Ball Lightning was dealing an unintended amount of damage because of its Enhanced upgrade. This bug fix returns the amount of damage done by this Skill to intended quantities.

This bug fix returns the amount of damage done by this Skill to intended quantities.*

bug fix

I shoulda put this in main post. Thx!

I think I will.

@CtrlAltD1337-1312

yes not a bugged interaction. they made the change and then didnt like how it turned out. they call it a bug instead of admitting they messed up.

Devs literally called it bugged interaction. You are not just dying on this hill. You got rezzed and died again. Hilarious! Oh man I love being right so much on this.

[anon31212293]

Enhanced ball lightning node, if you test it with multiple dummies, appears to be doing exactly what it says. If you go from no attack speed bonus to a 12.5 bonus, you get about 25% more zaps than you used to, but it’s a bit hard to quantify. People also seem to forget that they increased BL’s base damage by 4-5x this season, which is a big part of the reason it did well.

Tibaults just seems like a case of not realizing the ramifications of combo points being coded as resources, similar to bone prison previously being coded as a minion (which had unintended consequences).

If something does exactly what it has been coded to do (and the coder intended), but the ramifications weren’t foreseen, I’m not entirely sure that qualifies as a bug.

[Urza-1177]

@Phatty-1821

Quite entertaining…

Legendary level post. Plus a million!!!
+1,000,000!!!
u so much

When I am this wrong I just admit it like adult. Apologize and move on. Poor contalt cant do it. 100% proven wrong. Devs said bug. He says nuh-uh I still right. Im on floor rolling around in glee.

[Khazul-2940]

Unless you were abusing wierd poison interactions and TB then the combo point quirk seemed to me to basically just make my rogue more viable and never even slightly felt OP, underpowered still if anything, just not vastly underpowered for the build I was using (RF + Flurry).

I notice no mention of the interaction between crossbows and weapon master where it seems the stats from each do not sum (think the highest seems to be in effect, or maybe the last one applied when enumerating contributions). I guess its a bug where we loose so they do not care.

Compared to my BL sorc - it was still mostly useless and gave up with it.

[Iggi-11818]

@Khazul-2940

I notice no mention of the interaction between crossbows and weapon master where it seems the stats from each do not sum (think the highest seems to be in effect, or maybe the last one applied when enumerating contributions). I guess its a bug where we loose so they do not care.

I don’t know of this one and didn’t see any reports on it in the bug forum. Doesn’t mean they don’t know about it, but I do know they go through the bug forums especially right after a major patch.

[Khazul-2940]

It is subtle - equip a cross bow then check with/without 3 weapon master points and you will find the damage change is not what can be expected. Basically if you use a crossbow, assign the 3 points elsewhere as it seems to be a useless skill.

The issue may even apply to any weapon that carries the same intrinsic attribute as whatever weapon master gives to the weapon type.

I get it may well be way way below the threshold of their likely attention to detail, but if playing a rogue scratching around for every little bit of extra damage from your crossbow - it matters. For now, assign the points elsewhere as it seems to be a useless wasted skill.

[Iggi-11818]

Unfortunately I am going Necro this season, but I may make a rogue as well so this is good to know thank you.

[Khazul-2940]

I have played a bow wielding character in my primary in every game of this type that I have ever played.

For the first time next season after what they done elsewhere in the class, it may be my first time ever not to main as a bow wielder as it now looks so bad and/or the play style looks excessively clunky. Rogue feels massively challenged from a resource recovery perspective (and thus ability to actually use a damaging instead of tickling skill) and seems very stop/go and awkward.

TBH other than BL and its build entirely around massive CD/crackle mana regen - many classes/builds in D4 seem clunky and just seem to flow badly.