Why is Into the Fray better than Bloodshed for WW barb?

[Molyon12-1932]

I’m so used to Bloodshed being this insane DPS increase for barbs, but every WW guide I’ve seen says to take into the fray but never really even mentions bloodshed. Why is this?

[FHvoids-1401]

Rent can’t Crit with it’s from WW so bloodshed does not get proc from it only from ww damage into the fray make rend so bigger numbers because it factors the Crit

[Keel-1770]

yeah but the question is , can bloodshed can proc out of hard cast rend. if so that would even make sense to use bulkatos over istvan. got to heal somehow on bloodshed ye

[Kindran-11838]

Rend can’t crit at all. It doesn’t matter how you apply it. Here is a post from SvR explaining more than you probably want to know about Rend.

@sVr-21743

Tested everything I could think of to test about rend. Here is the summary:

• Rend’s base duration is 6 seconds, not 5 (the tooltip is straight up incorrect).
• Rend’s selfcast damage is only calculated off mainhand. The off-hand can be any off-rolled weapon for supporting purposes (CDR, AD etc.). WW, and therefore Ambo’s, oscillates between mainhand and off-hand.
• Rend scales with CHC & CHD but CAN NOT crit.
  • Each Rend tick has (1 + CHC * CHD) as a separate multiplier.
  • Only CHC and CHD that you see in your detail sheet, will scale rend. Any debuff-CHC (Iceblink, Multishot, Corpse Lance, Bash, etc.) will not scale Rend.
  • Battler Rage:Bloodshed has 0 effect on/for Rend damage (except for the base rune crit), because Rend does not crit.
  • Battle Rage:Into the Fray does not have a cap, increases CHC in sheet and therefore works with Rend.
• A Rend instance snapshots CHC upon cast.
• Selfcast Rend does proc Area Damage.
• Rend applied by Ambo’s does not proc Area Damage.
• Ambo’s has a proc-coefficient of 1 and applies a Rend on each WWs tick.
• Ambo’s does apply the equipped rune from the skillbar.
• Ambo’s does oscillate between main and off-hand, since WW does.
• Ambo’s pride can’t exceed the Lamentation cap of 2.
• Rend:Bloodbath explosions count as a separate Rend instance but are capped at 2 due to Lamentation. This makes Bloodbath by far the best DPS rune (doubling the damage output).
• Rend ticks every 12 Frames (0.2 seconds). Damage is accumulated and displayed every 48 Frames (0.8 seconds).

[Free-1746]

Good answers so far.

TLDR: Rend + Bloodshed don’t syngergize. ITF is much stronger.

More info can be found in Part 1 of the guide: [Guide] Zodiac Rend (Season 20) - #478 by Free-1746

[FHvoids-1401]

Question free in the guide it says bloodbath is the best dps but I feel like into the fray does more work for me which one is better in your opinion

[Scáth-2283]

@FHvoids-1401

Question free in the guide it says bloodbath is the best dps but I feel like into the fray does more work for me which one is better in your opinion

Bloodbath =! Bloodshed

Bloodshed is a Battle Rage rune.
Bloodbath is a Rend rune.

Bloodbath best Rend rune.
Bloodshed insane Battle Rage rune normally BUT can’t be triggered by Rend damage => no go for Rend.

=> Rend-Bloodbath + BattleRage-IntoTheFray [Dps] or BattleRage-SwordsToPloughshares [Surviveability]

[FHvoids-1401]

Thank you so much I understand now