Really no need to write about what I asked for DH class. Spike trap? People who really care about DH and participated in DH sub forum know what I asked for.
It is enough to link this:
I called it… I knew we are going to be last.
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Another part of the idea about the Fan of Knives/Spike Trap/Caltrops set was to give us an item, possibly Archfiend Arrows, with the affix, “Spike Traps gains the Scatter Rune”.
Getting three spike out at the same time, if the bonus to defense from having them out is say 15% per trap would be a 45% damage resistance as soon as the traps were deployed and with Bladed Armor still active it would be a 62% damage resistance. And with enough cooldown reduction you would have all the traps out possibly before Bladed Armor expired.
Like I said, I’m not a math wizard, so all these figures could be wrong. But I think we’d be able to survive the seconds until we got all five (I’d like it more if it six) spike traps deployed but I could be completely and totally wrong about that.
After many proposals where made for Spike Trap:
I’m thinking it wouldn’t be anymore complicated than S2/M2 FoK build we had a few years ago, especially if FoK is part of the set.
That build was basically tied to Sharpshooter for the 100% Crit Chance, which meant other than when you were fighting the RG, you wouldn’t be attacking with anything. You’d instead be gathering mobs to kill all at the same time on the Lightning cycle of CoE with Fan of Knives. When it came to the RG, then you’d use bola to build Bane of the Stricken stacks and then kill her with a single Fan of Knives as well. In addition, it would also use the same defensive tactics that LoD Rapid Fire uses. Instead of vaulting out of danger you would use Smoke Screen and Shadow Power to evade damage and/or quickly get from pack to pack.
I’m pretty confident that if a player can play LoD Rapid Fire, they’d be able to play this set.
Could be wrong about that though.
I defended Barbs against one particular person who had a very clear agenda, despite what he liked to say. If you disagree with the way I went about that, that’s ok. I don’t think less of those who disagree with me. Can you say the same?
There’s a few large assumptions in that one sentence. Don’t do that.
You’re right here about the proposal, but then I also didn’t propose anything for Barbs. But I did lend a voice of support to those Barbs who did make the proposals.
I would absolutely do the same for DH’s. (Or any other class that so needed).
Again, I took issue with one person who wasn’t calling for balance, he maintained a sustained campaign that was a clear agenda to do nothing but get Barbs nerfed.
When Lamentation got dropped to 0%, he basically disappeared from the forums. When it went back to 150% his campaign started again. Despite continued calls for him to help weaker classes, he did nothing of the sort.
Now he’s been publicly slapped down by a blue, he’s gone from 50 posts a day to basically having disappeared again. And still not a single post in support of weaker classes.
Show me the posts calling for DH buffs, I will absolutely support it.
Show me the posts calling for DH nerfs, I will absolutely tell them they’re wrong. Same as I did for Barbs.
Look, I don’t want to argue with you. I want your game to be better and fun as well. I want you to have a group spot, if you want one. I want you to be able to push high GRs solo, if you want to.
I’m not a theory crafter, I don’t know if it’s legendary changes, or set changes that need to be made to make DH’s better. There are people with much more DH knowledge than me that would be better off making a proposal.
Show me that proposal, and I will absolutely stand with DH’s and fight to make the game better for them.
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No one stopped you from visiting DH forums… but yet you posted more on Barb forums.
And I understand you. There are only few of us stubborn enough to no quit on class that is performing like crap for too long now.
I am still really pissed at Blizzard. I asked for permanent ban cause I don’t see point of posting anything on forums anymore. If you get neglected and ignored for so long… you start to question yourself are you an idiot if you don’t give up.
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And also on the general forums, because those were the boards where most of the Barb debates were happening.
I applaud you for your dedication to the one class. I’ve seen people call you nuts and take shots at you for limiting yourself to one class. I have no issue with it, you like what you like, and you want it to be better.
Fly your flag. 
Hey I get it. Barbs were the neglected whipping boys for so long, I think that what caused so much of the rage when they finally got buffed, only to have it taken away again.
I’m not joking, I want you to have fun in the game you play.
I hope you don’t get banned, and you get to see the day those buffs come in for DH’s.
I asked for it… they failed with that also.
On positive note: last to get patch stays in meta longest?
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Lol yay for positive steps
I’ve not played group meta’s, mostly as my play time is so sporadic.
I am told that zBarb is very boring to play though.
No. zBarb is arguably the most important person in party. You need to know so much. Really challenging to play. It is actually the only challenging build to play in 4 mans. There is always place for good zBarb in any 4 man group. If you have good Wiz and zBarb rest is really easy to find.
Sounds interesting, I did look into it once, but yeah, lack of group availability made it not worth pursuing.
Is that the Bazooka wiz that needs macros to be played well?
Yes. It is really hard to play without macros… the hardest. That is why almost everyone is using macro/scripts. With macro it is really easy. no brainer… you are just moving around… and whole skill rotation is performed by script. You stay at spot prepared by Barb, where zMonk is healing you… and point with mouse where you want damage to be done.
One with the best gear and biggest paragon gets the party. Skill does not matter so much. Most decisions are made by zBarb.
Ok, that sounds really boring
Excuse me, guys…
But when did this thread become about Barbarians and the efficacy of the zBarb in groups?
I would greatly appreciate it if the subject turned back to DH buffs.
I’m not sure if letting Pheonix hijack the thread is the best way to get our concerns heard. Which I think illustrates your first points, peewee, pretty well.
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First of all I am sorry dear DH-Player. I respect you and your passion for the dh class, that is why i didnt wanted to go here offtopic.
After a certain barb wrote that
I had to really use all my discicpline to not comment this. I respect his passion for the barb class but his understanding of balance is a big clown fiesta where every build is facerolling threw gr 150 in 2 minutes solo . It is neither near balance nore it is healthy for the game. It was against blizzard mentioned design goals. He still attacked everyone that used arguments with statements like this
“Crusader is fine, barb is fine everything is fine. Just buffs no nerfs. You are clearly attacking my class and are jealous. You have a secret agenda against the barb class. Barb has the right to be op now because he wasnt good for so long time”
Now he wrote something about “inteligent, detailed proposals” i only found the last part of his statement. “creating public discourse”.
Ok he got what he wanted, so be it. After Phoenix started his Agenda against this so called “guy” i cant just read this “false statements”. I just cant.
Arent you feeling ashamed writing the same wrong statement over and over again ? Are you thinking that if no one says something against it, that it becomes correct at some point? That “guy” demanded a 100% buff after they nerfed lamitation to 0%. Further more he already provided data for dh and necro. I see your hate for this guy but i dont get why.
A lot of the assumption may be really true. Following your argumentation telling false statements all the time just to have a point, there is a certain possiblity. Is it so important for you to “win” that you are ready to lie into someones face ?
Than support the wizzard proposal that chantodo vyr is getting unnerfed after it is totally fine all of the sudden according to blizzards balance opinion. some month ago it was op and had to be nerfed. As a wizzard player and a archon fan i am really pissed of that double standart. Bazooka got nerfed. Start supporting wizzard i dont see you helping wizzard class. Do you think barbs and monks deserve a better threatment than wizzards?
That is a lie and you know it. I dont know why you are writing it down here.
Support reverting the chantodo wizzard nerf than. I havent seen you in the 3 threads yet. According to your agenda you have to support wizzard class now. Or do you only writing it but your actions will be different ?
I dont have a problem with the barb crowd, i have a problem with how you handle things. I dont know if you are a roleplayer but a real barbarian would handle things the same way.
again i am really sorry for offtopic
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Not even 4-man META groups are clearing GR150s that fast, and certainly no solo hero, so I’d take his understanding over yours. Now, having said that…
Demon Hunters need some love, power and item revamps. They need someone to advocate for their class with as much passion as Free did for Barbarians. Stop bashing Free for getting what he (and other Barbs) wanted and instead recognise that his tactics worked and use them.
Is there an equivalent of Free for DHs? Get them to make a proposal like the Barb one. Who knows, you might get what you ask for.
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FFS!!!
Okay, we get. “Bow down to the Mighty Omnipotent Free you puny mortals! For he is the best thing ever grace the planet, much less the boards! So says the Cult of Free!”
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No, because it isn’t.
I don’t have hate for the guy. Definitely have issues with his agenda, and his methods.
I’m truly not even sure what this means, but one isn’t related to the other.
Straw mans don’t work here.
No, it isn’t.
I’ve discussed many threads, that it wasn’t a nerf.
They corrected an unintended mechanic.
Yes, I agree that it made the build less powerful, and I have no issue with them adjusting the numbers somehow, if it made it too weak.
Semantics maybe, but if you wanted to look, you’ll find many posts where I support weaker classes being buffed up.
Just because I’m not in the thread you frequent, doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.
Edit - why has most of my comments been about Barbs? Simple, because that’s where most of the conversation has been.
You literally don’t get it.
This thread is literally about getting someone to advocate for DH buffs. If a DH player used the same method as Free did for Barbs, DHs would be way more likely to get what they want than threads like this. It’s fine for you to not agree with his stance, but you can’t argue that it wasn’t effective.
Do you want to continue making ineffectual threads lamenting the lack of DH buffs, or do you want to use tactics that actually work?