Me: balance is a unicorn
You: That’s not true, here’s a season where they achieved balance…except for this class…and for this class…otherwise, balance…
Everyone else: 
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Having all classes but one within 2-3 GRs is awfully good balance in my mind. All Blizzard needed to do to fix this would have been a buff to a single class.
Do you know who wrote this about balance for season 12? At times, I think that some assess the messenger and not the message in how they assess information.
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Do you realise how irrelevant it is?
You quoted me saying there has not been balance, then try to use evidence of balance, that actually shows that what I said was completely correct.
This sounds familiar…
Of actual useful information, let’s hope they buff an existing DH set or two before they finalise next season.
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All classes but one were within 2-3 GRs for season 12. A single class needed a buff. You argue that it is impossible to balance the game and the idea of game balance is like a unicorn. This clearly shows that Blizzard was within a buff to a single class to reach the “balance unicorn” in the past.
Edit: This post was in response to this comment
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Who gives a damn about Season 12.
We are entering Season 20.
Stop bloating the thread with useless old data that is completely irrelevant at the moment just to prove a comment is technically incorrect due to the use of a superlative.
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So…not balanced.
So…what I said was correct, and not untrue as you claimed.
So…you lied…again
How many people need to tell you that you’re wrong before it sinks in?
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This is a discussion that I have had on multiple occasions. Demon Hunters and necromancers clearly need buffs but they should be buffed to reasonable levels while overperforming classes (like crusaders in patch 2.6.7 and likely witch doctors in patch 2.6.8) should be nerfed. Game balance is achievable and we have historical evidence that 6 of 7 classes were previously well-balanced in the past.
If this guy spent as much time playing in game as he does analyzing API data sets and past historical computational points, he’d be 10k para now.
But since his seasonal barb seems to be wearing and cubing both Lamentation and Band of Might at the same time…and his DHs are a mess and somewhat obvious no clue about the class…it’s all he has to fall back on I guess.
but hey, just a few more posts and his new forum count will exceed his current paragon…
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I actually took off all the gear from my seasonal barb “MicroREND” and put the equipped items in the stash, so they would be sent to me by the mail system. Currently, my barbs and their builds are a hodge-podge as I am sorting my rolled over gear. My recollection was my barb cube choices for MicroREND related to using the captain’s crimson rend variant and I have not yet played barbs since the rollover. I still have some gear that I need to decide about in the mail. Needless to say, your cube choices are not relevant while you are sorting gear and not playing yet non-season.
Most of my characters are serving as mules right now so I do not have the correct builds on them.
I will concede that with season roll over, a lot of toons can look a mess with moving seasonal gear into NS toons, and the like. Some can be used a mules or wearing bits of gear from seasons ago, I know there are some of mine which haven’t been touched for a long time as well.
A point that is missed by a lot of people. A lot of posts using a lot of words, but saying very little. Unfortunately it also shows how little he knew about Barbs before launching his crusade against them.
For someone who claims to be a DH main, he seems to say very little about them.
I am undecided if that should be of comfort or concern to the DH community.
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I’ll buy the “moving stuff around” after season…but claims made of maining a DH just don’t seem legit with only 2 toons (on US) and both “sort of” geared…my mules are pretty obvious…but do you change your cube choices when moving gear around (eg: his S6 cubing Shard of Hate) or wear non-class gear (like the Zuni ring on said S6)…
Well if we get a buff or new set for s21 that he thinks ‘ruins the balance’ then we’re in for more tables.
Though it does remind me to go clear out some mule gear that will never see live toons again.
I am still hoping they decide to buff for S20. It’s needed.
You clearly checked out my profile. Here is my career page.
https://us.diablo3.com/en/profile/MicroRNA-1507/career
As the images show, I have >2000 hours as DH. I have played exclusively barbs for the last few months plus some barb time (it went from about 5% of my play time to 11% since patch 2.6.7 was released). I think I am at 700+ hours on barbs. As I said, I use my toons for easy sorting and not necessarily the build that I will use when actively playing that class.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Diablo/comments/7gv52h/analysisseason_12_data_greater_rift_clearing/?_branch_match_id=687001833057993508
This is not my analysis. This was done by BarbNut (aka Prokahn on this forum) who is a barb build guide writer. This analysis was widely respected across the forum community irrespective of players main class. This dispel several misconceptions about class balance.
I find it funny when this post was initially made and shown in the old forum, it was widely embraced but when I quote it is “now” utter rubbish. This clearly shows bias.
In terms of DH playtime, you can look here. People’s paragon levels ae not only a function of playtime but when the game was being played. For example, the top paragon in D3V was paragon 100.
I typically do the analysis in one night during commercial breaks while watching TV. It takes less than 30 seconds to download a leaderboard. After converting the downloaded file to excel, excel does all the work (sorting data, calculating averages, and making bar graphs). For small datasets like this, excel works quite nicely,
Seems odd
DH main (as much as you’d call a 2% delta between DH and WD a “main”) with “>2k hours” on the class
70k elite kills between 2 toons
my seasonal DH
712 hours combined across several seasons
73k+ elite kills
I have nearly 2x that (141k+) on my main DH with less than 1500hrs - so what have you been doing with all those hours on DH???
my point remains valid - you spend more effort with APIs and data and tables than you do actually playing the game…
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Not to interrupt, well yeah to interrupt…
Whatever Micro’s issues with the Barb class are, he hasn’t brought them up in this thread. In almost every instance, someone else brings it up and then the thread devolves into him defending himself or making counterpoints to things that don’t have a damn thing to do with DH’s.
Again, and I’ve had to do this several times, keep your agendas out of this thread. There’s already a thread targeting Micro and you guys are welcome to take this discussion there.
Otherwise, keep your damn issues out of this thread.
Thank you.
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In this instance it was he blatantly lying that took the conversation that way.
In any case, the thread is still moving, conversation is keeping it relevant.
Here’s to much needed DH buffs on existing sets for S20.
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sorry, but I call BS about s12 and classes being within 1-2 GRs. They certainly weren’t on PS4…not even remotely close to 1-2 GRs…
PS4 is not the main platform of d3.
This game is balanced around pc not other platforms.
No balance for the PS4, you called the right guy, the “Super Balancer” is on the way!
All kidding aside, I played the UH Multishot for a few days and that set needs some “lovin and a buffen” to get into today’s game. It needs a good damage boost on the set itself, I suppose and a ton of damage mitigation for sure, maybe a generous tweak for The Wraps of Clarity would help that a bit.
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And what rings true for PS4, rings true for PC. You do realise that the game is ported from PC to PS4/XBOX 1 pretty much directly. Consoles have a few differences (NG, FOV, lower mob density to name a few things), but in essence, the games are the same between the platforms.
GR clears look pretty similar between what I saw on the PS4 LBs and what I see on the rankings page for PC. The only real difference is the mega high paragon of the botters on the LBs on the PC version of the game (no botting on consoles!). 