Where are the DH players?

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Some builds like bazooka are not used in consoles, density changes is not a small change neither. etc .

Meta in consoles is way different. as far as i know energy twister is still meta in consoles, and in PC energy twister was pushed out of meta like 8 seasons ago lol.

The best d3 experience is in PC and d3 is balanced around PC, people that play in consoles is just a small % compared to PC, so what happens in consoles is not relevant for balance (also i don’t even know if seasonal play was a thing in consoles in season 12 (if was not a thing then you can’t claim that balance in consoles was not great during season 12, because non season in consoles means people using cheats and loses any relevant value) ).

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Bazooka isn’t used on consoles cos we don’t have access to the num lock key and scripting. It’s that simple.

Twister wiz is partially meta now, but not many people are playing it, even for meta groups. Meta is 3 WW rend barbs + support monk in a lot of cases. But, hey, that’s cos rend barb is OP AF. Also, on console, you can cast your primary skill and dmg skill, which you can’t do on the PC version of the game - that is the only reason why twister wiz stayed relevant on console for as long as it did.

Again, the PC and console versions are practically identical, with the latter ported from the PC tree. Blizzard has stated this on numerous occasions in the past. There are MINOR differences between console and PC, and they are to consoles detriment (NG, FOV, poor mob density etc).

For someone who’s all about PC being better, you don’t know a lot about consoles do you? Seasons started in s10 on consoles. Also, seasons on console are, from a cheating perspective, better than PC - no turboHUD, no botting, and no hacked items in seasonal play. Yes, there’s the reforge/dashboarding exploit, but that’s cos Blizzard is too lazy to introduced online saves for seasons in D3 on consoles. NS has modded items, but that is again Blizzard’s fault for allowing the importing of characters from older gen consoles (PS3 etc) to PS4 - mod it on PS3, import to PS4, and voila…and of course, there is save wizard, and the people who are using that in seasons are SCUM. Again, online saves would resolve that issue. And again, Blizzard is incompetent and lazy by not introducing online saves to seasonal play on consoles.

There’s probably around 2.5 million (if that) active D3 players on PC. There’s around 350k on each console platform (PS4, XBOX 1), so roughly 700k players in total. Yes, they are smaller numbers than PC, but i wouldn’t call that a “small %” - that’d be a gross understatement.

I find it amusing that many PC players want an offline mode, and the vast majority of seasonal players on consoles want online saves…I guess PC players want more cheating, and console players want more legit play. :slight_smile:

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For someone who’s all about PC being better, you don’t know a lot about consoles do you?

I just said that i was not sure when seasons started in consoles , also PC is better, free aim > anything that consoles can offer (i’m not a PC elitist but d3 in consoles it’s just a terrible experience).

Yes, there’s the reforge/dashboarding exploit, but that’s cos Blizzard is too lazy to introduced online saves for seasons in D3 on consoles

Duping and free reforging lmao.

There’s around 350k on each console platform (PS4, XBOX 1), so roughly 700k players in total.

I hightly doubt that xbox one has the same users than PS4, xbox it’s only popular in USA, so if ps4 has 350k players, xbox one will probably have way less players (anyway what is the source of these numbers ?)

I guess PC players want more cheating, and console players want more legit play

Don’t make me laugh, consoles are filled with cheaters, i just did a quick research in google and there are a lot things you can do to cheat in consoles (even in seasonal play) that are way worse than the problem with bots that PC has.

I have played d3 in consoles, and tbh it’s a pretty subpar experience compared with PC. aim system is not great, bad monster density (this one is not a minor change, area damage is a big thing, and having low density on consoles changes a lot of things)…

Idk why you bring this console topic here tbh, d3 is not balanced around consoles. even in seasonal play you can cheat (and the things you can do in consoles are way worse than turbohud and bots on PCs).
Maybe you should post things like this in the d3 console forums, this topic was about DH players and balance.

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Better, in what way? There are some advantages to console (controllers are ergonomically better, no bots, no turboHUD, no scripting), and there are some advantages to PC (UI, targeting cursor, better mob density, no NG BS).

There’s no duping in seasons on consoles. There is the reforge issue. Again, this blame is solely laid at the feet of Blizzard for not introducing online saves. It is also extremely time intensive, a lot of players don’t do it because of that. The top players do sadly…

XBOX One is very popular in many countries, including my native Australia.

There are a few things. Reforge exploit and save wizard online editor. The former is again due to no online saves for seasons. The latter is because Blizzard and Sony are too lazy to take legal action against save wizard to force a cease and desist.

No argument there, but you do get used to it and adapt, unless you have no skill :wink:

If PC = console, and it is “balanced” around PC, then it is perfectly acceptable to argue that it is also balanced around consoles. The game on both platform is near identical other than a few small areas.

I only took umbrage with your elitist response to my earlier comment that ww rend barbs were OP, based on my observations on PS4. Looking at the LBs for the PC version of the game, it’s pretty similar in results to the console version of the game, which pretty much backs up my observations.

PS this thread is for ALL DHs - PC and console players alike. I don’t see the thread subject being “where are the PC ONLY DH players - console DH players not welcome in this thread”.

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Better, in what way? There are some advantages to console (controllers are ergonomically better, no bots, no turboHUD, no scripting), and there are some advantages to PC (UI, targeting cursor, better mob density, no NG BS).

Targeting > anything that consoles can offer lmao. skills like teleport, meteor, dashing strike, and furious charge are really disgusting to use in consoles.

There’s no duping in seasons on consoles. There is the reforge issue. Again, this blame is solely laid at the feet of Blizzard for not introducing online saves. It is also extremely time intensive, a lot of players don’t do it because of that. The top players do sadly…

No one cares if it’s blizzard fault or not.

XBOX One is very popular in many countries, including my native Australia.

Compare PS4 sales and xbox sales worldwide lmao.

There are a few things. Reforge exploit and save wizard online editor. The former is again due to no online saves for seasons. The latter is because Blizzard and Sony are too lazy to take legal action against save wizard to force a cease and desist.

Wizard online editor is worse than any PC cheat we have atm, and again, no one cares if it’s blizzard fault or not.

No argument there, but you do get used to it and adapt, unless you have no skill

Former diamond player of SC2 and mid diamond player in heroes of the storm… when someone claims that you need skill to play d3 i just laugh.

If PC = console, and it is “balanced” around PC, then it is perfectly acceptable to argue that it is also balanced around consoles. The game on both platform is near identical other than a few small areas.

Mantle of channeling and deathwish were nerfed in order to fix the bazooka build (a build that is only played in PC), so this game is balanced around PC (this mechanical nerf damaged other builds that were not bazooka so a thing that is super used in PC damaged console builds too lmao).

I only took umbrage with your elitist response to my earlier comment that ww rend barbs were OP, based on my observations on PS4. Looking at the LBs for the PC version of the game, it’s pretty similar in results to the console version of the game, which pretty much backs up my observations.

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I don’t even remember talking with you about WW in this topic (the barbarian paranoia in forums is real lol).

PS this thread is for ALL DHs - PC and console players alike. I don’t see the thread subject being “where are the PC ONLY DH players - console DH players not welcome in this thread”.

Game is balanced around PC (just check the mantle of channeling nerf case lmao). you are bringing the console things to this topic, i only said that maybe you should post the things about console in the proper forum, this topic is about DH and balance.

I will say this again, i’m not a PC elitist, in fact i like consoles, it’s just that a game like d3 offers a really lackluster experience in consoles.

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It’s not always that clear-cut. There are some significant differences between the Leap skill for barbarians between console and PC, and it definitely favors console players when using the MOTE set.

I’m only pointing this out to highlight that it’s pointless to compare the two versions of the game. As for Rend Barbs being OP that is absolutely not the case on PC. They don’t have a role in groups.

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The thing is, dp. You’re derailing the thread. That’s my issue with these recent posts. This thread was not made to debate the differences and merits of console and PC versions of the game.

It WAS made to ask for buffs for the class.

Now, if we could get back to that, it’d be most appreciated.

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