Also reaffirms my belief that seasonal mods are dumb and focus should be taken on more full-time content that applies to all game modes.
Just the old hornets nest tactic, fire into them and they gradually come at you. This similar Rapid Fire 150 video illustrates how s19 became just a season of carefully worked season theme instead of actual ability to kill stuff effectively at 150. Have to admire the survivability skills that were also well managed.
Well they need to fix the problem of using only one weapon when performing melee damage.
Yes we know the DH is good for tumbling in and out of packs and encircling them also, but thats where the developers dropped the ball, make the quiver more combat based rather then shoring up element, crit, speed, CDR stats. Look at green arrow on CW he uses anything as a weapon. The bow like a sword, it fires arrows, think about incorporating monk like abilities.
Dodge should be used in an offensive manner IMHO.
Just ideas for s21
Bro, take heart- you’re doing things right. It’s just that it’s a long process and it might take a bit of time to actually see any of these changes realized.
I’m currently away from home dealing with some irl issues, but when I get back in a few days I’ll try to go through the linked threads in the OP, pull out the ideas and put them into a clearer list.
Don’t give up… and certainly don’t feel bad about yourself, you’re doing Tyrael’s work here…
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Thanks, Rage.
There’s more stuff I’d like to do with this thread.
So just brainstorming with some fellow DH’s…
What could we do to make Marauder better without buffing N6/M4 at the same time and separately, how would we improve N6/M4?
Would it be as simple as buffing the six piece of each? Or should ask for a change to Hellcat Waistguard or another item to make the belt not the only way to let M6 do any damage at all?
Just some questions to maybe reignite the thread.
I have the answer long ago in my post (how to quote another thread without duplicating links?) DH: 2.6.8 Proposals for Balance and Fun:
Let me know if you find any bugs in it.
The only thing I find wrong with the post is that they balance around non-season and not season. In Season 18 and 19, the buffs effected different sets differently within the class.
You’re right though, they can tune them to be more equal even in non season. Simple number adjustments.
So far we’ve identified the buff for both S6 and UE6 to complete a 130 with 5000 paragon, the goal set by the devs.
For UE it’s a 5 times buff. We’ve suggest putting that on the 4 piece so instead of the 4 piece reading something like this: You take 60% less damage and deal 60% more damage for 8 seconds if no enemies are within 10 yards of you.
To: You take 60% less damage and deal 700% more damage for 8 seconds if no enemies are within 10 yards of you.
I’ll bold that part of the OP.
For S6, it needs about a 2.5X buff so the 2 piece should be buffed to 12,000% damage and the 6 piece to 125,000% percent damage.
That should put the two sets where they pretty much belong to get through a 130 Grift at 5000 paragon.
I think this is the season themes’ purpose and source of fun - a flat +%dmg will be very balanced, but wouldn’t it be too boring?
Just curious - how did you test it?
a few thoughts:
- UE should be based on UE grenade instead of UE multishoot, so that we’re not making multishoot rules all from speed farm to GR pushing. This also means there should be some buff to grenade from Hellcat to beat current Multishoot.
- Adding every buff in 6 pieces bonus may be better. This prevents any broken 6+4 builds from N6 damage. Having some 4 pieces damage is actually more interesting, but unfortunately this caused balance problems in D3.
It hasn’t been tested but About 120 or so is tops for UE with around 5000 paragon according to the non-season leaderboards. So it needs a 5X buff to get it to 130.
125 or so is tops for Shadow so it only needs a 2.5X buff to do 130 at 5000 paragon.
And I want to add that Blizzard said they are balancing around non-season and set those parameters of 130 at 5000 paragon is the goal for every class.
Also, whether you buff the six piece or the 4 piece of UE they both effect UE the same. If you want to improve UE Grenades then the thing to buff is Hellcat (edit#2) in addition to the suggested buff of UE.
Edit:
I would like to hear your suggestion about buffing Hellcat though. It’s pretty RNG based so adding bounces will just make it more so. They could program it so that the grenades all bounce in the same place which would improve the damage but limit it AoE. Or they can leave it the same and just buff Hellcat to some number that I’m not good enough at math to figure out.
Just an FYI in case anyone missed this post from Nev in the PTR feedback forum…
Just gotta hope that the “likely be the main focus for 2.6.9” holds true.
I did see that post, and this sentence angered me even more! We are not asking to get something every patch. We are just asking to be treated the same as the other classes. The truth is that DHs have gotten nothing for a very long time, unlike all the other classes. So the arguments above are unfair. And even though we will get a set in S21, they could easily have given us some kind of buff this season, just as they buffed the barb in S19 and are giving S20 to necros… but apparently devs hate DHs, or at least don’t give a damn about them.
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Last patch was about monks and crusaders, but they added barbarian rend changes… 
Fun thing is they said that DH was in need of help last ptr and they did nothing this one
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I don’t mean to nitpick that post. But I’ll have to dig up the other one where she said that they were saving Necros and DH for last because they needed the most help. From reading, it sure read like they were going to make DH’s a class to see their improvement in possibly in this patch but rethought that when they found they needed the most help.
I believe it something like that in the blog post where they posted the criteria of 130 at 5000 paragon.
Now, maybe a lot us of read something into that that wasn’t there but I remember it that way at least.
Anyway, it’s good that they clarified that.
They at least admitted we need a lot of help in that blog post. Whether they always intended us to be last is irrelevant. All I know for sure is we need several things to happen in the patch intended for us, or we’ll be in the same boat we are now. That being, Behind Everyone Else.
I imagine the play style limitations of the current DH builds is the main problem.
- Where is the capacity to group packs?
- Effective melee damage with AoE?
- Ability to really have two forms of offensive capabilities.
The barb WW and the other set were likely part of the same development effort, just more progress attained before DH’s could be helped. While both Monks and Barbs could also have zbuilds also. Then you have necro that can play that poison nova build with LoD. Yep DH are still dead last in the greater scheme of things.
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well duh…Ess of Johan.
You know, swap a 100% damage increasing ammy or one that gives you an extra passive for one that might, just might, give you a chance to randomly group mobs…
/sarcasm, but TBH if that mechanic was reliable or tied to a primary skill (like EF) to proc (like attacking with a primary skill gives a 50% chance to group mobs) it might be sort of viable??
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Just general indication by PTR LB how the DH faring.
- Barb does 130 with 2.6.8 set (2452 paragons)
- Crusader does 133 with 2.6.7 set (2968 paragons)
- DH uses LoD RF to achieve 120 (2491 paragons)
- Monk does 128 with 2.6.7 set (2843 paragons)
- Necro uses LoD to achieve 122 (1775 paragons)
- WD does 134 with 2.6.8 set. (1990 paragons)
- Wiz uses LoD to achieve 133 (2586 paragons
You think blizzard could simply increase the RF stats a bit before s20 starts.
Nope, nope and thrice nope. UE with CCR is very close to impale, even with aughilds. Yes, UE needs a buff, but impale is not twice as powerful (5 GRs)…at least, not on console.
I’m prolly risking being called a troll, or having a rant 
but I don’t think Blizzard gives a crap about DH. There’s been a lack of love for DHs since John Yang left D3 dev team…
I find it amusing that the latest patch PTR notes buff and improve barb, WD, wizard and crusader and ignore the weakest class in the entire game (solo and group). At least necro can run rat runs for XP/gear…we don’t even get that option!!!
As I said in my last post a week and a bit back, people here are too weak in their expectations and demands of Blizzard. With that attitude, we will get bugger sweet all when they do try and “fix” DH.
Anyway, back to lurking for this disenchanted old fart.
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Necros can be quite proficient in Rat Runs as evident at 14:12
Monk is still the fastest T16, but second goes to the necro, see 12:05.
you misunderstand me - what i meant was necros can still enjoy group meta play (rat runs) and earn a crap load of paragon from it, to use on their solo characters to push solo LBs. DHs can’t do this, at least, not using a DH character/build for group meta…
Of course, solo wise, necro is near the bottom of the classes. LON rapidfire outperforms necro builds in solo pushes, but not by that much (=<5GR) and is useless in a group meta…
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