It’s just sad that their official stance is “can boot for any reason, any time you want”. It fosters an abusive culture with “totally legit” painted on it.
Then play.
Play solo.
They’re not required to love interacting with you, though.
Stop trying to force “the other” to adapt to “the self.” It rarely works out that way, in games or in real life.
anything after “because” is irrelevant. You’re the problem in their eyes, and they’re the problem in your eyes. Differentiating factor is, YOU joined THEIR game, NOT the other way around.
And you should strive to become the change you want to see in this world. Stop letting a game (or interactions within it) piss you off that much.
The Slippery Slope is that the second you say “you can only boot if X criteria is met” you relinquish your own autonomous control over your own public game.
“You can’t boot me just because I’m salvaging after every GR” seems “arguably defensible” but how different is that, REALLY, from framing it as “you can’t boot me just because I refuse to accept the GR invite screen?”
They’re the same end result. Just worded differently to appeal to emotion in the former case.
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If what you’re saying means that you do find people to play with, then isn’t running 140 to 145s quite okay? After all you’re playing the game and having fun.
A note to the whole vote kick system: remember that it takes more than one vote to kick. If someone rejects the vote it isn’t effected.
Some games have counters to that. Many prefer it as well. Blizzard, of most gaming companies, are notorious for their idiotic stance on it.
It’s likely because they don’t want to police abuse. Abusers trying to rationalize their abuse, grasping at straws to make it sound like it isn’t, what it is.
And those games aren’t D3.
Appeal to Majority (that you can’t possibly even quantify)
Have you ever played Hearthstone? They won’t even let you emote “I’m sorry”
The one factual statement in your entire post. Agreed there.
You’re presuming bad faith on those doing the kicking. Have you ever played D2? Back in the “good old” days? Games like “DON’T KILL DIABLO” and they rush straight for it. “Kill Izzy” and they pop in, but they kill him WITHOUT grouping up, then hostile you.
The thing about 
is that everyone has it within them. It’s not limited to just one side vs the other.
Yes, I’ve played D2 a lot. Those situations were extremely rare.
I’m not presuming, I’m flat out saying many are. Abusers love to rationalize how what they’re doing is legit. It may be “legal” in Blizzard’s eyes but so is being a creep in real life, doesn’t make it right.
Extremely rare according to who? You specifically?
[citation needed]
Do you even know how the votekick in D3 even functions?
Sure. I’ll be honest, you’re the first I’ve ever seen complain about that.
Unnecessary
I’ve read about it. We don’t have these asinine issues on console. I do play some other games online that have kick features. It’s nice that none of them have problems like this.
The fact still remains. The idea of kicking for any reason sounds good but anyone with any degree of competency knows the gamer world is full of nerds with control complexes.
Which is fine, as far as empirical evidence is concerned. But I ask you, if “BM / etiquette” surrounding games, and their creation, and their purpose, are NOT a thing that needs specific addressing, then why do topics like this exist?
This isn’t even for the OG, this is D2R.
People felt it necessary to give PSA’s on how to NOT be an ill mannered individual when it comes to public games, even in the remake, which had WORSE matchmaking and came out in a far more MODERN time.
You presume to say situations where people SPECIFICALLY IGNORED the intentions of the game instance, was somehow “extremely rare?” I’m pressing X to doubt.
Which is exactly why I asked the question. I wasn’t being snarky, I was legitimately putting it to you plain: you have ZERO idea, firsthand, what you’re talking about.
In D3, you need UNANIMOUS votes to pass the kick. If there are 3 other players, ALL THREE must agree to kick the 4th person.
Now, you might try to argue “well all 3 other players might heads” and sure, that COULD happen.
But in THIS SPECIFIC context with THIS SPECIFIC topic creator - PINOYWILDKAT - they are claiming it happens OFTEN. They are claiming EXTREME DIFFICULTY finding a group. They are claiming it happens SO OFTEN that it’s causing them extreme vexation. They’re complaining on the forums because of it. And they have been, for YEARS.
Such a rampant, egregious issue MUST mean one of two things, logically speaking. Either:
- EVERY single person who groups up with this specific user HAS been, to a man,
OR
- Pinoy himself has been the common denominator problem, across multiple groups for multiple years
Which one are YOU more likely to believe, logically/rationally speaking?
The community in D2 is not the same as D2R. Just like the people who post on Reddit for WoW classic vs those from vanilla. I don’t play classic but the people who post about it are not even mentally on the same planet. That sounds rude but it’s just how it is.
You don’t have to bite the apple to know it’s sweet. This game isn’t some unique entity. If how some post is indicative of how it is, any competent person can put 2 and 2 together.
Most vote kicks are people clicking “yes” to get it off their screens.
In this case, either the OP was exaggerating or a lot of people are just crappy. I could easily believe either. I’m not fresh off the boat, I know how people can be.
On the same note, one game I play a lot, people are horrible on the forums, worse than here and that says a lot, yet in game, you rarely ever see it. May be because that game, the company takes a strong stance against being a head while Blizzard are wishy washy.
PS. I didn’t take it as snarky. You’re forward, which I appreciate.
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Valid point. I confess I’m mostly basing this off of my own memory. But this one’s more just a “he said she said” so I’ll concede that one.
Also valid point, one that I make often. My counter argument here would be “two things can be true at once.” It’s true that you don’t need to be an architect to know the Leaning Tower is leaning. But it’s also true, equally so, that vote kicking in D3 PC version isn’t reduced to “one person’s maniacal whims” and that was my main point. It’s much harder to pass an unprovoked vote kick than one might think, given the discourse in this topic so far at least.
You know I’ve often wondered: how many successful games with strong multiplayer components have directly tied “player power / progression” with “don’t be a ?” Genuine question. There have to be examples out there, I just don’t know any off the top of my head. Blizzard certainly doesn’t have any examples that I can think of, which is unfortunate.
I’m glad I didn’t cause offense, because such was not my intention! I just tend to be very… I don’t know, you call it “forward” but a negative interpretation might be “aggressive” or “confrontational.” It’s something I’m trying to work on, but it just comes out sometimes.
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I like that architect one better. I’m going to steal that.
I’ve not taken anything you’ve said as confrontational. Been on forums for a very long time. It’s not like you were sealioning.