Did they say that after or during blizzcon? Because if during blizzcon I wouldn’t get my hopes up. They went through the tiers of loot and seems we are stuck with D3 loot unless they change it.
Yes but what D4 will turn out to be is subject to change and as such feedback is important. Nobody wants D4 to be exactly like D2. We all want D4 to draw inspiration from previous games and implement the good systems and improve them while scrapping the bad ones. We also want them to add something fresh to the genre, to innovate it. What we don’t want however is for them to use D3 as a reference point for anything other than combat and possibly some QoL changes, because it’s very underwhelming in every other sense. Paragon & loot 2.0 do not belong in a quality arpg, Blizzard had their fun experimenting with doing the bare minimum to add replayability. Now it’s time to put some actual effort into the systems in place. The game is probably going to be rated mature right? Don’t limit yourself to designs for 8 year olds.
I know you spend most your days in here waiting for an opportunity to pounce on trolls (ironically, given you seem to be the biggest one in here) but try to atleast keep up with the discussion instead of fishing for easy likes from the simpletons that can’t put 2 and 2 together.
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I miss the down vote button. 
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Not even if you would count the bots as actual players would that be true.
Is that why D2’s last patch was 2 YEARS AGO while D3 is about to be patched for the gazillionth time within a week or two? Which game is dead now?
I come at ya’ll with hardcore facts and statements, and the best comeback you can offer is one formed out of pure delusion. And I had such high hopes for humanity…
^ Speaking of delusion.
You come at people with statements? Wow. So impressive. They respond to you with statements, too. I don’t think you thought that line out - or your thread OP, for that matter. After all, look at your own topic: The post underneath the OP, which rebukes you, has more likes than your own OP - which is quite telling of the fact that you’re a minority shouting nonsense in the face of reality.
But your OP contains no facts.
Who cares when a patch released? That’s neither here nor there to the topic (unless you’re point is that D3 is still so far from being a decent game that it still needs constant patching). If you were able to make a straight argument, you would. But because your position is not based in reality or facts, you are left with sleight-of-hand tricks to try to fake people into thinking you’ve said anything worthwhile.
Here’s another actual fact for you: Diablo 3 is a failure of a Diablo game and is largely despised by the Diablo fanbase. It is a no-count game to most Diablo fans and you can see for yourself all over the forum that people are detesting Diablo 3 and wanting a proper sequel to Diablo 2.
Honestly, one of the best things Blizzard could do is completely retcon Diablo 3 out of the Diablo series, just like they retconned Warcraft’s story throughout its history.
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2 years ago for a 19 year old game? We’ll see how D3 is doing at its 17th year with its support. Actually by then D3 will just be remembered let alone forgotten by then as a bad footnote in blizzards history as it already has.
I’m still wondering why this all-star dev team for the third iteration of the diablo series lost all of its dev members since it was so great?
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I like D3 more than I like D2, but there are some things from D2 that I wish they brought back.
First is the cube recipes. Sure, D3 has them as well, but it’s just a few and they’re mostly rerolls and upgrades for legendaries. D2 had a lot of cool crafts you could do, like crafting full rejuv potions, crafting certain rings and amulets, converting ammo (bolts to arrows and vice versa), and many many more. I like crafting in games a lot and wish they explored that idea more.
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Diablo 3 was one of the marks of the end of Blizzard as a company of repute. The director of D3 left the company and infamously had tantrums in social media over one of the co-creators of D2 criticizing the direction D3 took the series in. It shows the mentality that went into D3 and which is shared by some of its fanboys. It’s a toddler’s mentality, with little grasp for quality and sensibility.
Blizzard’s staff have been abandoning the company in droves, and there’s next to no original staff at the company anymore (is there any original staff at the company anymore?). In some respects that could be a bad thing. But in at least one respect it’s a very, very good thing: Chriz Metzen is a talentless hack who single-handedly destroyed many potentially good Blizzard games with his god-awful lame and uninspired tropey and pretentious writing. What in the world was Blizzard thinking keeping him on writing at the company for so long? Each Blizzard employee should ask the employees next to them: What were you thinking? Maybe it will lead to an elucidating moment for the company.
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Combat = D3
End game, build customization = PoE
Itemization = Grim Dawn
Heck, atmosphere = D1
D2 does quite well at being decent at everything, but it doesn’t do anything best today.
Lets keep it within the Diablo Franchise itself. Do the same list you made and answer with just Diablo games. Why? Cause its the essence of what makes a diablo game. Its the same, we don’t want D4 to feel like POE or Grim Dawn. Neither do we want D4 to be a D2 remake, but to be a version where it brings diverse gameplay through itemisation, resource management and skills where we looked is the past Diablo games.
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I certainly want D4 to learn from others. Just sticking to its own history would be terrible.
The Diablo name is just the world and atmosphere imo (dark, gothic supposedly). Everything else should be based on what makes the best game.
Very funny .
D2 is the only reason D3 sold that much! D2 is the best game of its own genere and it opned the door to many others games.
D2 lived much longer than D3, b.bet was full at 2010 but D3 is DEAD .
When you make a pc game and calling it DIABLO you should gave us a DIABLO game. Everything we loved about it even if not 1 on 1.
Skills tree, lvl 99, ap system and more are some of that thing that made that franchise going on
I didnt see sims 4 changing the whole sims 2 idea. I didnt see Heroes of might and magic 5 trashing whole 3 legacy .
If you like D3 so much , you can keep playing it by yourself and jay willson after 4 will come.
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Ehh the effectiveness of skill trees is debatable. I certainly don’t want to end up with a Path of Exile talent tree.
Level 99… not really necessary. Especially since getting 99 in D2 didn’t mean much either.
Ehhh again. Sometimes reinvention works. Mario 64 wasn’t like previous Mario games at all, yet it was lauded.
Metroid Prime went 1st-person PoV with some RPG instead of traditional side scrolling.
Castlevania: Symphony of the Night basically went full on nutso-RPG after the previous games had been side scrollers with not much in the way of RPGs. It’s still lauded as maybe the best game in the Castlevania series.
That’s the point. Level 99 works as a “goal” for those wanting it. The paragon system is just infinite. There is no goal behind it. Nothing substantial that drives you to keep playing. No end in site. I’m not saying the level 99 is definitely what we need. But the “paragon system” in Diablo 4 should definitely not be infinite and be difficult to get to cap, but shouldn’t be required to get to cap.
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D2 was perfect in patch v1.09… they ruined it after that, the game became an unfun mess of ****…
D2 circa 2004 was where it was at.
D2 now is a joke because of the imbalance of Hell mode and end game builds not being able to solo it.
The only reason those games are even on the map is because of D2’s post patch v1.09 mistakes… If Diablo II was still in v1.09, none of those games would even exist right now because Diablo II would be killing them all still.
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The devs them self have stated that they want the series going back to its roots and that they are looking at D2 for inspiration (just as they should be doing). I believe they should look at all of the existing ARPG that is out there and check for interesting and awesome design choices from each and everyone of them.
I don’t see how your whinethread is adding anything constructive to the conversation but at least you made your own thread where you can whine in peace so we others doesn’t have to see it instead of going off and derailing actual D4 feedback threads with irrelevant troll posting!
Oh wait, you still do that… Congrats.
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Inspiration = \ = replication
The only ones derailing D4 feedback threads is the clueless few who are completely out of touch with reality.
And I’m more than happy to give every single one of them a reality check. Now if that makes me a TROLL, well, it’s easier to live in blissful ignorance and pass the truth off as trolling (and showcase their enfeebled mind in the process) than accept it for what it really is: a reality check that everyone needs.
It’s people like them who ruin games and franchises. But don’t take my word for it, look at POE. It sucks so hard due to it being its devs’ only cash cow, which forces them to give into the whims of every clueless Bob and Karen. And 6 years after release they still haven’t made enough money to make a second game.
as a d1/d2 fan I really also expect d4 to innovate and be its own game.
But as for inspiration looking very closely at d1 and d2 and disregarding most of d3 is also what I would like.
devs already admitted graphics style was a failure in d3. Itemization was made with the RMAH in mind and the remade after it was removed. its a total mess, that should be discarded as well.
the skillsystem with infinite on the go respec, this is so wrong on so many levels, it should be discarded as well.
d2 will probably still be played once d4 comes out, but my guess would be d3 by then will be where it belongs: gone
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This only true for players who suck at the game.
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