my clothes shouldn’t be fitted to my body, my body should be fitted to my clothes. See how bad thinking that is?
Dude, still hating here?
No, we’re not playing it. When I did play it I couldn’t even find a single person to play with it was horrendous. It’s a ghost town. Not that there’s any meaningful player interaction anyway. No trading, no loot competition, just hit monsters next to each other to increase GR number. It’s so empty.
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If d4 doesnt have fatigue im done catch me later.
The way D3 was developed for you D3 fanboys was what caused D3 to flop in the first place. If you like the garbage from D3 please stay in D3, don’t ruin the Diablo PC series for the second time in a row.
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Activision Blizzard themselves said they wanted to return Diablo to its roots. Of course they don’t mean this. They only say it because they want to attract their old fanbase. They’re going to make the kind of mindless console game their cash cows like. They just want to trick their older fans into buying a copy.
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moral of the story you are just butt hurt over others wanting D2 but modernized. and who is “ours”? you think you are a part of something at blizzard? lol get over yourself bro, ironman you are not
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Mephisto would be proud.
Only in your vocal minority community.
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D2 has more of an active playerbase than D3 does now.
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If we don’t speak up it’s going to be a D3 remake… and for me, there’s a problem with that…
Would you rather have a D3 clone or a D2 homage?
That’s what you fail to see blind man… but chances are you’re ridiculous and just want another D3.
And what new systems and new ideas are you even talking about? Did you even see the game play footage? Wait sorry, stupid question, you’re blind…
The game looks like a reskinned Diablo III… GR’s are coming back in the form of “Key Dungeons”…OOOOoooOOOOh so innovative… such a new idea.
Systems? The Skill bar and the U.I. are identical to D3…
We want D2 mechanics, itemization, skills, skill trees and trading… those were all positive aspects of D2… If D2 had the same quality of life inclusions from D3 like auto gold pick up and a shared stash, it would be a superior game.
We’re not asking for a D2 remake, we just want bad mechanics that were implemented in to D3 to be GONE. Considering most of us who are vocal on this subject have experience with D1 and D2, our opinions should matter more. We only know D2’s mechanics as good, they set a very high standard…
If they can come up with something better than what D2 implemented (which they can’t) I’d like to see it… because so far all I’m seeing is D3 clone with D2 skin when I look at D4.
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Of course D4 should learn from D2, just like it should learn from D3, PoE, Grim Dawn, Sacred 2 etc.
It should certainly not be a copy.
D2 has been surpassed by others in most, if not all, areas, but there is still a Diablo legacy worth preserving.
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Wow I actually feel sorry for you with that statement…
D2’s been surpassed? LOL In what reality? … I’d like to visit it if you have a means of getting there.
Every other game that’s been released since D2 just wants to be D2 so desperately it’s actually sad…
All those games you mentioned are D2 wannabe clones and they’ll never make the same impact Diablo I and II made… not even in anyone’s wildest imagination.
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No. If we go by your logic, there are as many original games and companies as there are game genres. Not every game after the first is a copy of the first.
WOW is not a copy of Everquest. It shares elements because it shares a genre. Same with Overwatch. Both games are original enough to stand out against the other games in their genres.
And the fact that one of their best and most beloved franchises started from their original idea, it was the first of it’s kind.
I don’t entirely agree with the OP about needing to ignore previous interations of the franchise. And I do agree they are seeking to mix and match from the previous games. But your post gives the impression that they would be better off with no inovation, only looking at the previous games. If they had done that before we would have 2 remakes of D1 in our hands with better graphics and new story.
One example of where they need to improve and distance a bit from previous games is in how they develop the endgame. They are looking around for inspiration, doing for once what you accuse them of doing all the time. They will probably improve and adapt some ideas from POE and add their own things on top of it.
The problem I see here and the OP seems to detect aswell is the possibility that Blizzard listens too much to a small, loud and annoying minority that is too puritanical to want anything that deviates from D2. They are the D3 haters that never leave us alove anyway.
If Blizzard goes that way, D4 will be more of the same.
For example, as much as I loved what they showed us, the game looks too dead and gloomy. Instead of dark it’s just grey. That’s probably due to a fear to put colours there. And considering how much the children cryed about D3, i’m not surprised. The game needs more color to showcase and highlight important things. Blood should be a bit more red, there should be more contrast between things around the map. If they manage to show colour in the right points it will just highlight the dark aspect of the game. Even D2 had more color and contrast then D4 so far. And the game had so many limitations it’s not even funny.
if they go too deep trying to please these noisy children we will just loose on so many important improvements and the game will be a Frankenstein’s monster with parts from D1, D2 and the bare minimum from D3 (A game that has so much to teach D4 and improved on D2 in many aspects).
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What the hell are you talking about?
D2 is a solid game even for today’s standard.
Care to mention a game with better trade, items and skill system from recent years?
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WoW’s blueprint is Everquest. Blizzard specifically went to the Everquest raiding community and hired from it to develop WoW. Alex Afrasiabi and Jeff Kaplan ran EQ guilds. Rob Pardo, who was also an EQ guild leader, hired Alex and Jeff because of their EQ knowledge. WoW was designed by Everquest players. Do you know where the terms dkp and ding came from? Do you know who thottbot is? WoW wouldn’t even exist without EQ. What Blizzard essentially did was create a more polished, casual version of EQ. I guess technically thats an innovation because nobody else did that at the time. But it goes waaay beyond just “shares elements”. The WoW today is completely different, certainly. But at launch? The Everquest DNA was all over WoW.
And the fact that one of their best and most beloved franchises started from their original idea, it was the first of it’s kind.
Which one do you mean here? Diablo? Because that was created by a company called Condor. Blizzard bought that company. Diablo was the brainchild of David Brevik and Max and Eric Shaefer. Blizzard didn’t create Diablo.
I think that perhaps you don’t know the history of these games, and are filling in the blanks with your own interpretation of events to suit your narrative. This is a mistake.
For example, as much as I loved what they showed us, the game looks too dead and gloomy. Instead of dark it’s just grey.
I agree.
The problem I see here and the OP seems to detect aswell is the possibility that Blizzard listens too much to a small, loud and annoying minority that is too puritanical to want anything that deviates from D2.
I want them to copy the atmosphere from D1, the loot from D2, the combat from D3. Thats it. These are core pillars of design that are proven and solid. These will mix together well. Its not about creating ‘a frankensteins monster’, its working to your strengths.
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Wait, where did you see d2 loot? That was D3 loot all the way.
E/ and not directed at who I replied to. I haven’t seen a single person say what op mentions; to just copy d2. The only thing I have saw is people ask for d2 elements like itemization and open trade.
In fact, the people who are wanting just a d2 copy, they are asking for exactly that. There are a few threads asking for d2 remaster over D4. So this topic is useless as you are pointing out behavior that isn’t even happening.
It honestly just sounds like you want this game to be a D3 remake. So maybe just play D3?
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This. This is exactly what is needed.
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Yep, agreed. What we were shown was D3 loot. However, they said they wanted D2’s itemization. I am hoping (however foolish that might be of me) that what we are seeing is placeholder, and the loot will improve.
It doesn’t come from “Diablo 2 fanboys” it comes from people who actually enjoy ARPG mechanics. Diablo 3 stripped so many mechanics out that it was simply a huge disappointment for any ARPG player. And you shouldn’t take “bashing” personally. They are bashing the game, which is an opinion, so there is no reason for you to bash back. I personally bash and play the game at the same time (it’s one of the few games my friends play so it’s a good social game), but it’s horrible as an arpg imo.
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