Well you two keep up the enthusiasm, it might be your hard work pays of in case the devs are peaking in to your work.
Merry Christmas.
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Seems like there may be something wrong with how you are calculating these, unless Iām misunderstanding something. (which is totally possible)
But for instance, Monk peak adjusted clear is 151 for a 2:13 at 9191, and Talās is 153.7 for 5:17 @ 9195.
How does that make sense. More than twice as fast, at the same paragon is a lower adjusted clear.
These rankings only count non-seasonal power. Itās like the ābaseā power of each set, not counting how much the seasonal themes jack them up. So basically nothing from Season 27 is included (the only exception is Akkhan, which basically gets no benefit from any of the angelic crucibles).
I did some adjusted clear numbers for all builds in season 27 a few weeks back, you can check that out here: Adjusted Clear numbers for all builds, season 27
A few of these numbers are sure to have changed since then, but Iām sure itās overall much more in line with what you were expecting.
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Oooh, and that is what I was misunderstanding. doh
Yeah, 160 for monk, that seems better, lol.
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I was thinking about doing another pass on the season 27 numbers for all builds, and then comparing those to the most recent State of Set numbers to see how many tiers each crucible ability was adding. Any interest in chipping in on that? It would be good to have another pair of eyes and another brain making sure that the correct Angelic power for each clear has been correctly identifiedā¦
Also, I sent you a message.
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Hi Rage, sure. Iāll check for the message.
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Check again, some stuff to consider.
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Is it time to necro an old Rend buff post yet?
Hmmā¦ I dunno. I figure that at this point, most of the changes that will show up in the PTR later this month are mostly set already.
If we did manage to convince them Rend needs a buff, I think the most likely thing at this point would be an application of a certain crucible power onto some piece, or set, of gear. And I think weāre probably agreed that that would really not be the best thingā¦ either for Push Rend or for Zbarb.
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Yes it would. Every build is capable of the same max clear but hardcore you take more defense whether it be gear, paragon point distribution, or talents. At the very least you are more careful in hardcore. Moving out of damaging effects non hardcore players would normally just stand in. This effects your overall clear potential. Also there are a few other factors that play into hardcore clears. If you die you keep your paragon and items in your stash. So when someone dies they effectively need to use a backup set or start completely over if a back up set has not been established. Either way they take a step back. And lastly there is drastically smaller pool of hardcore players posting clears. This leads to a far lower average clear across the boards.
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Hey guys, any plans to update this NS set report? Or it is good to use it for some PTR purposes?
Yeah, I updated it on 12/27/22, and will probably do a selective one that hits H90 / Raiment / Natalya a few weeks after the new patch goes live.
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Hey, letās check in about some stuff related to State of Setā¦ and other stuffā¦
State of Set has been updated! Many thanks to TinneOnnMuin, who helped me with this update.
Hereās the current state of the top 10:
| Set/Build | Peak Adjusted Clear | Average Adjusted Clear in top 10 | Adjusted 100th place clear |
|---|---|---|---|
| Wiz Tal Rasha | 153.9 | 153.3 | 151.3 |
| Necro Tragāoul | 152.6 | 151.3 | 149.0 |
| Barb Raekor | 152.0 | 151.4 | 148.7 |
| Wiz No Set | 152.0 | 150.4 | 144.5 |
| Crusader Akkhan | 151.4 | 150.5 | 147.3 |
| Necro Rathma | 151.2 | 149.8 | 142.8 |
| DH Marauder | 151.0 | 150.2 | 147.3 |
| Monk No Set | 151.0 | 150.4 | 147.7 |
| Necro No Set | 150.8 | 149.9 | 144.5 |
| Barb No Set | 149.0 | 147.9 | 139.1 |
It has not changed much since last time, though TragāOul Necro did jump up an entire tier to take the #2 spot. For the full set of numbers, head to the full spreadsheet.
There are some places where these numbers are sure to be incorrect, i.e. for sets that only recently got buffed (Nats, Unhallowed, PoJ, Raiment, Masquerade, etc) and so havenāt had time to show their strength in a non-seasonal setting.
So: to see what would happen, I did a cross-check against the S28 numbers for each build:
| Set | State of Set Peak Clear | Season 28 Peak Clear | Difference | S28 Peak minus Average Altar | S28PMAA vs State of Set |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Barb H90 | 143.6 | 154.2 | 10.6 | 147.0 | 3.4 |
| Barb IK | 148.6 | 152.8 | 4.2 | 145.6 | -3.0 |
| Barb Wastes | 148.6 | 153.6 | 5.0 | 146.4 | -2.2 |
| Barb MOTE | 143.9 | 152.7 | 8.8 | 145.5 | 1.6 |
| Barb Raekor | 152.0 | 159.2 | 7.2 | 152.0 | 0.0 |
| Barb No Set | 149.0 | 154.2 | 5.2 | 147.0 | -2.0 |
| Crusader AoV | 146.6 | 153.5 | 6.9 | 146.3 | -0.3 |
| Crusader Seeker | 138.9 | 144.9 | 6.0 | 137.7 | -1.2 |
| Crusader Roland | 138.3 | 140.0 | 1.7 | 132.8 | -5.5 |
| Crusader Invoker | 144.7 | 152.4 | 7.7 | 145.2 | 0.5 |
| Crusader Akkhan | 151.4 | 156.5 | 5.1 | 149.3 | -2.1 |
| Crusader No Set | 147.2 | 153.4 | 6.2 | 146.2 | -1.0 |
| DH GoD | 144.5 | 151.7 | 7.2 | 144.5 | 0.0 |
| DH Natalya | 148.2 | 157.7 | 9.5 | 150.5 | 2.3 |
| DH Unhallowed | 143.4 | 152.3 | 8.9 | 145.1 | 1.7 |
| DH Shadow | 144.2 | 151.5 | 7.3 | 144.3 | 0.1 |
| DH Marauder | 151.0 | 157.2 | 6.2 | 150.0 | -1.0 |
| DH No Set | 138.3 | 135.5 | -2.8 | 128.3 | -10.0 |
| Monk PoJ | 144.4 | 151.5 | 7.1 | 144.3 | -0.1 |
| Monk Inna | 145.3 | 152.4 | 7.1 | 145.2 | -0.1 |
| Monk Uliana | 144.3 | 152.4 | 8.1 | 145.2 | 0.9 |
| Monk Monkey King | 144.4 | 150.4 | 6.0 | 143.2 | -1.2 |
| Monk Raiment | 140.6 | 146.3 | 5.7 | 139.1 | -1.5 |
| Monk No Set | 151.0 | 156.8 | 5.8 | 149.6 | -1.4 |
| Necro Masquerade | 146.9 | 155.7 | 8.8 | 148.5 | 1.6 |
| Necro Pestilence | 135.0 | 141.8 | 6.8 | 134.6 | -0.4 |
| Necro Inarius | 147.1 | 155.6 | 8.5 | 148.4 | 1.3 |
| Necro Tragāoul | 152.6 | 159.0 | 6.4 | 151.8 | -0.8 |
| Necro Rathma | 151.2 | 159.1 | 7.9 | 151.9 | 0.7 |
| Necro No Set | 150.8 | 157.2 | 6.4 | 150.0 | -0.8 |
| WD Mundunugu | 144.9 | 154.2 | 9.3 | 147.0 | 2.1 |
| WD Arachyr | 148.1 | 156.3 | 8.2 | 149.1 | 1.0 |
| WD Zunimassa | 145.3 | 151.5 | 6.2 | 144.3 | -1.0 |
| WD Helltooth | 142.9 | 149.8 | 6.9 | 142.6 | -0.3 |
| WD Jade Harvester | 139.0 | 143.4 | 4.4 | 136.2 | -2.8 |
| WD No Set | 144.1 | 150.8 | 6.7 | 143.6 | -0.5 |
| Wiz Typhon | 147.4 | 154.9 | 7.5 | 147.7 | 0.3 |
| Wiz Tal Rasha | 153.9 | 162.3 | 8.4 | 155.1 | 1.2 |
| Wiz Delsere | 148.2 | 152.4 | 4.2 | 145.2 | -3.0 |
| Wiz Vyr | 144.7 | 153.7 | 9.0 | 146.5 | 1.8 |
| Wiz Firebird | 148.0 | 156.0 | 8.0 | 148.8 | 0.8 |
| Wiz No Set | 152.0 | 159.0 | 7.0 | 151.8 | -0.2 |
The 5th column, here, subtracts the average buff from the altar from the top adjusted clear for each set from S28. In other words, it tries to put it in the same ballpark as the numbers from State of Set. I looked at this āaverage altar buffā 3 ways.
First, just an average of all the numbers in the 4th column (which is the difference between the S28 clears and State of Set). This came out to +6.7 tiers. Second, I averaged the numbers only from builds that were either recently buffed (Nats, Typhon, etc), S-tier (Raekor, Marauder, etc), or the best set for the class (Arachyr). This came out to +7.6 tiers. Third, I looked at just the āS or Bestā builds (S tier builds plus Arachyr). This came out to +7.2. So, I settled on +7.2 as a good average figure.
I think the overall takeaway here is that yes, a few builds are stronger than they appear in State of Set, most notably H90 Frenzy, which has barely budged since its damage was doubled (went from peak clear of 143.5 to 143.6). Thatās just because people havenāt pushed it hard yet in non-season. In S28, itās about where you would actually expect it to be.
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Great minds think alike, I was just looking at this myself. Wanted to get an idea what the average S28 gain is looking like.
DH no set looking pretty sad 
Iām surprised at the difference between Vyrās and DMO. Vyrās benefits strongly from the season theme, but thereās no real reason for DMO to be that far behind the average in season 28. Might just need some more seasonal DMO pushers. Or maybe itās just Ronin single-handedly dragging the non-season number for DMO up.
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Iāve actually been pretty surprised all season that the gains are as small as they are. The largest gain for any set that didnāt get buffed is for Vyr, at +9.0. Mundu, Nats, and H90 are all higher than this, but all 3 of these got buffed/reworked.
I guess I overestimated the Altar value when I went over the numbers pre-seasonā¦
Yeah, the absolute āfloorā for a buff from the Altar ought to be something like +4.5 tiers. Thatās about what you get from the stuff that is just ābaked inā, like straight buffs to damage, and not reliant on RNG at all (primarily the potion abilities, but also the āextra orb from elitesā which can vary a lot from rift to rift).
Yeah, single players can definitely change the numbers a lot. With Raekor, for instance, Enryu has 3 of the top 10 clears. With Rathma, vhsculture has 4 of the top 10, including the top 3. For Delsere, the top 20 has only 11 players, with 3 clears by EasyFrank, 3 by LittlePanna, and 5 by Ronin (and 1 by TinneOnnMuin, of course).
With Immortal King, Seeker, Natalya, Uliana, and LoD WD, the top Adjusted Clear is 2.0+ tiers ahead of the 2nd place clear.
All that is why DMKT and I built in the 3 right-hand columns (showing peak-avg, standard deviation, and avg-100th place). The greener those are, the more accurate the overall prediction is likely to be. That still seems to be working pretty well: the analysis is quite confident (green) for Raekor, Tal, and Arachyr, but not confident at all (orange-red) for, say, Nats.
Disappointed that pestilence necro has been really weak without getting any changes for years but they manage to buff sets like h90, god, and poj. Not that I have an issue with buffing those sets but they are at least functional. Pestilence has not really been a strong build since like season 12 or something. You could double it to 6600% and I doubt it would clear 140 for most people