Skill Buff discussion (400 posts)

I don’t think this is accurate. LoN starpact eclipses Vyrs + Chants. By like a huge margin. I don’t even think of we got “Season of Endless Walk” or “Season of Convention” Vyr’s + CHants could catch up. Vyrs + Chants is just a LOT better for speeds and out-of-the-gate. Vyrs just might be the worse 6 piece in the game with its (rather pathetic) ~300% multiplier.

Chantodos just might be the best set in the game, however. The two are not the same. They just designed to go hand in hand. It is completely possible next season might be Firebird’s + Chantodos if Firebirds is ever brought out of it’s dilapidated state.

First we got completely new all around items for all classes and now we will get completely new sets for all classes! This will multiply the ways to play. Also, it will be exciting to see how the skills voted here will be promoted.

Frenzy barbarian set? Hydra Wizard with Blizzard and Mirror Image? Trap Demon Hunter with Strafe and Elemental Arrow? Revive Necro with Army of the Dead? Crusader Phalanx with Fist of Heavens? Zombie Charger WD with Bogadile? Tempest Run Monk with Lashing Tail Kick?

What comes to the gameplay changes, I hope we will see something like Infinite Rift:
Diablo 3 Forums and campaign mode made endgame viable challenge and reward wise: Diablo 3 Forums . An unpopular wish I always had was some sort of Runeword system: Diablo 3 Forums

Now that you have kinda necro’ed this thread again, I think I can use this opportunity to repost the suggestions that I made in the old thread on the old forums so they don’t get lost and simply copy and past them into here… I hope you don’t mind…

Barbarian

  • Leap

This one here might be a bit controversial, but I would like that the Barbarian skill Leap has 2 charges by default instead of a cooldown. The idea/fantasy is that you can leap into a group of enemies, but that you also could eventually use the second charge of Leap as a means to escape.

Currently you can only use Leap either as a tool for engagement or as a defensive tool for escaping (I am talking about the base skill here, not the version with Lut Socks and the MotE Barbarian), but a second charge would give the base skill a bit more flexibility, which would make the skill more appealing because it would give additional utility and maneuverability, while still not making it OP.

Eventually the Launch rune or the Toppling Impact rune could be redesigned to give a 3rd charge since they are not too useful in the endgame.

This tweak wouldn’t change much for MotE Barbarians since the gameplay would stay the same, because you still could Leap 3 times in a row and get the charges back quickly by spending Fury via Seismic Slam, but Leap would become more attractive during leveling and eventually for some endgame builds as well if it would have 2 or 3 charges by default or via runes.

Edit: I think I should elaborate a bit further on why giving Leap a second charge would be a good thing, although the Lut Socks already provide a similar feature.

The difference is that Lut Socks only allow a 2 second window in which you can leap into a group of enemies and then eventually retreat to a save area when the situation becomes too dangerous, while with having 2 charges of Leap (or even 3 with a rune), the window between leaping into a group of enemies and an eventual retreat is much much larger which allows for more flexibility.

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  • Rend

A good and simple "fix" for Rend , or at least to make Rend more useful, is to incorporate the effect of the Mutilate rune into the base effect of this skill, which is that enemies take xx% more damage from all sources while they are under the effect of Rend. A 10% or a 15% damage increase from all sources sounds good imo.

That would give other builds more of an incentive to also use Rend as a secondary damage dealing skill in addition to their main damage dealing skill, because skills like Hammer of the Ancients, Whirlwind etc would also (indirectly) get buffed by it.

The Mutilate rune then can keep its current effect, but simply increases the amount of additional damage enemies take while under the effect of Rend further, so this wouldn’t require much tweaking.

If more stuff is required to make Rend more appealing to players, its base duration can be increased from 5 seconds to somewhere around 7-8 seconds while still keeping the same damage per second.

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Demon Hunter

  • Elemental Arrow / Lightning Fury / Molten Arrow

Besides that, the Demon Hunter skill Elemental Arrow could use higher and/or more damage multipliers on legendaries to be more competitive with other skills.

And while on the topic of Elemental Arrow, there is indeed something that I always wanted to do that is not possible anymore: I always wanted to make a DH that uses the skill Molten Arrow that you showed while D3 was still in development, but you removed that skill for some reason. I was pretty excited about it.

There still is footage from Molten Arrow:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvDPzs14Xmo

There also was a skill in Diablo 2 for the Amazon called ‘Lightning Fury’, which one of the most popular and fun builds in D2 revolved around, and I was always wondering why you did not bring it back in D3 as a rune for Elemental Arrow. It would really fit.

Lightning Fury in action:
https://youtu.be/QgoRqKl6vFY?t=64

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  • Caltrops

Caltrops is another skill that could use some adjustments, especially since it is probably the Demon Hunters worst skill, even when legendary and set powers are not factored in.

The thing that hinders Caltrops the most from being useful is that you can only lay it beneath your feat and not place or throw it over a distance. If Caltrops could be placed at the location of your mouse cursor, the main problem in its functionality would be solved.

But it would need more adjustments after that. The base skill either needs to have its radius increased from 12 yards to somewhere between 15-20 yards OR the slowing effect needs to cling on enemies for like 2 or 3 seconds after they stepped out of the Caltrops area. The latter effect still would be in line with its fantasy.

The ‘Bait the Trap’ rune could keep the effect of the Caltops being placed beneath your feet, but that rune should also have the radius of the caltrops drastically increased, maybe between 20-25 yards, so that enemies cast reach you too easily and as a compensation for the loss of not being able to place the Caltrops over a distance.

The ‘Hooked Spines’ , ‘Torturous Ground’ and ‘Carved Stakes’ are fine for what they are, the main problem is the base mechanic of the skill itself. But the ‘Jagged Spikes’ rune (the one that adds damage to the skill) is completely useless, because no one will ever use Caltrops for this minor amount of damage, so my suggestion would be that it instead could either increase the radius of the skill further or increase the time the slow effect clings on enemies.

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  • Vault

I just started playing PoE and there is a skill called Dash, which has a nice feature that also could be applied to the Demon Hunters skill Vault :

when you use that skill while you are holding the "Stand Still / Don’t Move"-Button, you dash into the opposite direction of your mouse cursor instead of at its location.

I think that would be a cool feature for Vault as well, like a Backflip.

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Monk

  • Exploding Palm

A fantasy that was not completely fulfilled was the fantasy of a Monk that causes enemies that he kills with Exploding Palm to detonate, not because of the mechanic of the skill, but because of its visuals.

When the skill was shown first at a Blizzcon before D3 was released, Exploding Palms explosion used the animation of a bloody explosion that is now only used when a yellow rare elite dies:
https://youtu.be/5F8VwBDc0f8?t=91

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gVXss9ERUo

The current visuals for EP’s explosion look very different and they don’t really fulfill the idea of a Monk causing the inner organs of his enemies to explode.

You can even use the same animation for all runes, but that bloods detonation animation would just look much better and closer to the fantasy than the current one.

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Necromancer

  • Land of the Dead

Another thing that needs to be addressed imo is the skill Land of the Dead and the playstyles that result from it, aka running around for a minute, doing nothing and then having a 10 second window in which you nuke everything, which is not a too fun way to play Necro.

Since this skill also leads to balancing issues, I think it might be a good idea to redesign it, if you already intent to work on some things.

I don’t really know what you could do in order to fix this skill (except completely removing it), but an idea might be to replace it with a similar skill that has a lower cooldown, but that only spawns a limited amount of corpses, for example something like a Rain of Corpses skill, which would cause xx corpses to rain down that you then can use, which would have something like 20 or 30 second cooldown. Or something similar.

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Wizard

  • Elemental Specialist Wizard

One fantasy that is really lacking in the game is the fantasy of a Wizard who specializes in one element – aka an Elemental Specialist. The only set that revolves around this fantasy is Firebird and when we are honest, the Firebird set does not really lead to the most pleasant playstyle.

I doubt that you want to create completely new sets for each element, but what about redesigning one of the current sets to be a set that gives you offensive and defensive bonuses for every skill of the same element that is on your skill-bar?

For example:

  • For each lightning skill you have on your skill-bar, you gain x.xxx% increased lightning damage. For each frost skill on your skill-bar you gain x.xxx% increased frost damage. Same for fire and arcane.

  • When you have at least 4 skills of the same element on you skill-bar, you gain xx% damage reduction… or something like that.

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  • Blizzard

The Wizards skill Blizzard is probably the Wizards weakest skill.

I often do playthroughs of the game by leveling chars from 1 to 70 without getting powerleveled and without any of the legendaries that give huge multipliers, just for the fun of it, and even under these circumstances Blizzard is just useless.

I understand that the damage-over-time to resource cost ratio needs to be somewhat in line, but the skill just doesn’t feel impactful at all. Even just 2 or 3 seconds of casting Disintegrate has significantly more effect than a single Blizzard over its whole 6 second duration.

A possible fix to this issue could be to reduce the duration of Blizzard from 6 seconds to 3 or 4 seconds, but let it deal the same amount of damage over its duration and furthermore, a cooldown could be added to the skill (I am thinking about something between 10 to 15 seconds) which therefore would allow the damage to be drastically increased, which would make the skill feel a lot more impactful when it is used.

A 10-15 second cooldown Blizzard could maybe deal like ~3000% damage over 3 seconds in an area and that would feel a lot more satisfying.

If that still doesn’t make it more useful/impactful, its cooldown could be increased further to 20 - 30 seconds and its damage increased further as well, which would turn this skill into a small nuke that you would use against heavy enemies and elites, but personally I think that this role would fit better on the Meteors Molten Impact rune (another rune that isn’t seen often in the lategame, the one that gives the skill a 15 second cooldown, but also increases its damage), so that rune might be in need of some tweeking as well.

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  • Arcane Orb

A few more things came to my mind in regards to Arcane Orb :

1) A rune for Arcane Orb that improves the base version of the skill, instead of completely altering it.

A rune for Arcane Orb that is just an improved version of the base skill and not a rune that completely alters how the skill works. I really like the base version of the skill, both in regards to its mechanic and in regards to the visuals.

The mechanic for the unruned version of Arcane Orbs is like a Fireball: you throw out a missile that detonates on impact in a big AoE, but sadly that fantasy is only reflected in the base skill and the Obliteration rune, but the latter doesn’t feel and look as good as the base skill and also drastically reduces the detonation radius.

So I would like to have a rune for Arcane Orb, that enhances the base skill by either increasing the detonation radius or by simply increasing its damage or by doing both, while also keeping the visuals of the base version, which just look fantastic imo (I often use the unruned version of AO, just because it looks so good).

2) The fantasy of a Fireball – Arcane Orb rune

Then there also is the fantasy of a real Fireball that is not really fulfilled. Yes, there is the Scorch rune for Arcane Orb which also explodes, but the whole thing doesn’t really fit imo because you are throwing a gigantic boulder that for some reason pierces through enemies and then it detonates almost off-screen by default.

So to make this rune fulfill the fantasy of a Fireball, you could change its visual from a giant boulder to a smaller, but still intense flaming missile or ball that detonates on impact with he first enemy and deals instant damage (in the same radius as the base rune for AO) and then also leaves a pool of fire on the ground for ~2 seconds that deals additional damage when enemies stand in it.

A similar effect is already on the rune Immolation Arrow for the Demon Hunters Elemental Arrow skill and it would just make sense imo to swap the mechanics of Scorch and Immolation Arrow, especially since there already was a skill called Molten Arrow for the DH during the development of Diablo 3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvDPzs14Xmo

3) The aesthetics of the Spark, Scorch and Frozen Orb runes

I was a bit disappointed when I first saw the visuals of the new Arcane Orb runes when RoS came out, aka Spark, Scorch and Frozen Orb, because the orbs are just giant black/white balls. Giant black balls work fine for Black Hole, but not for Arcane Orb and its runes and that makes these runes a lot less satisfying to use, at least for me, because it doesn’t really fit their fantasy.

So what you could do is to reduce the size of the orbs from these three runes to better match the size of the unruned version. Scorch would look better if it would get a more Fireball-ly look as mentioned above and the fantasy of Spark would be fulfilled better in my opinion if it would look more like the Lightning Bolt/Lightning Charge that gets released by the Storm Chaser Rune of Energy Twister instead of a ball of darkness surrounded by some lightnings. The orb for Frozen Orb looks okay, except that it is too big.

4) A new mechanic for Spark

The following is not a common fantasy, but rather something that I personally would like to see, so I don’t know what other people think of it, but I just find it interesting.

Instead of being a ball of electricity that gets thrown in an arc above enemies heads, I like the idea/fantasy of a of Lightning Ball that travels in a line and shoots several bouncing Chain Lightnings per second at nearby enemies while it travels forward, like a travelling Conduit Pylon just with Chain Lightnings or like the BFG 9000 from Doom. I think that is just cool.

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  • Hydra

I also think that 3 Hydras would be fine as a baseline for the skill.
Maybe you can get +1 additional maximum Hydra from the Serpent Sparker Wand, but not more.

I also like the idea of a legendary that increases the damage of all your skills for each Hydra you have active.

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  • Disintegrate

For the love of all things: change one of the lesser used arcane runes on disintegrate to a Lightning rune , so we can use non-archon form Manald Heal with Disintegrate.

The perfect rune for that would be Chaos Nexus, which is rune that causes you to discharge energy at nearby enemies while channelling. These energy discharges already look like small lasers and changing them to lightnings would perfectly fit imo.

And while we are on the topic of Disintegrate, plz add Disintegrate to the DMO set.

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  • Wizard Armor Skills

Remove the arcane power cost of Wizard armor skills please, increase the duration to at least 15 minutes. This way we don’t have to recast within a GR in the least.

I think it would be cool if the Wizards conjuring skills would have an active effect and a passive effect, very much like the Crusaders laws, just without the AoE aura. I think the devs said a few years ago that they actually wanted to do exactly that, but to this day they have not done it.

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  • Wizard Conjuration Skills

The Wizard’s Conjuration Skills (Ice Armor, Storm Armor, Energy Armor, Familiar and Magic Weapon) are just cast-and-forget skills. They could need an active component, because otherwise you just have them on your skill bar and only have to use them once all 10 minutes.

The most simple fix would be to make their current effects passive while they are on your skillbar, give them an active component that simply doubles or triples their passive effect for x seconds and give the active effects a cooldown. That is something that the Crusaders Laws already do.

That would make these skills more engaging to use.

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  • Galvanizing Ward

Aside from that the Wizard’s Energy Shields (and all kinds of other energy shields from items that are usable by other classes as well), could need a visual overlay on top of the health globe to show how much energy shield a char has, there is one particular Wizard passive skill that could kinda use a redesign to be more in line with the fantasy of an Energy Shield: Galvanizing Ward .

Currently, Galvanizing Ward immediately gives you an energy shield that absorbs damage based on 60% of your max life, but first after you have not taken damage for 5 seconds. But the fantasy of an energy shield is more like that it recharges over a few seconds after you have not taken damage, but not that it instantly comes back to 100% of its power.

So instead of being at 100% power after not having taken damage for 5 seconds, the shield could start to recharge after ~2 seconds of not having taken damage and replenish over the next 3 seconds. That means that if you have not taken damage for 2 seconds, every 0.5 seconds after that, the shield would recharge to give you 10% of your maximum life as Energy Shield, which means that after 3 seconds of recharge, it would have reached its maximum capacity of 60% of your like as Energy Shield again.

No much would change, except that your shield would start to recharge faster and it would be more fluid to use and play around with during combat.

Edit: you also get the Energy Shield from the Molten Wildebeest’s Gizzard legendary gem after 4 seconds, while you gain the Energy Shield from Galvanizing Ward after 5 seconds.

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  • QoL: Energy Shield visual overlay

A visual Energy Shield Indicator above the Health Orb would be nice.
Similar to Path of Exile, this would be a visual overlayer above the health orb, which would show how much Energy Shield (from f.e. the Wizard passives, St. Archus Gage gloves, Molten Gizzards Wildebeest etc) is remaining.

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I would like to add an idea for the Wizard skill Electrocute.

  • Electrocute

Electrocute could be a resource spending ability, so I think it would be interesting to have a rune that significantly increases its damage (to ~350-400% weapon damage maybe), let it hit additional targets (maybe 10) and making it cost ~20-30 Arcane Power per use.

The Chain Lightning rune already increases the number of enemies hit to 10, so this rune could be a candidate for turning Electrocute into a resource spending skill.

That could turn Electrocute into a main skill that is on par in power with Arcane Orb, Disintegrate, etc…

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I also would like to add some more ideas for mechanical changes to Exploding Palm to this list of how skills could be improved.

  • Exploding Palm

The main problem with Exploding Palm is imo that there is only one viable rune that vastly outshines all others: "Impending Doom".

Impending Doom removes the damage over times effect of EP but more than doubles the damage of the explosion, which makes it by far the most effective rune in combination with the Uliana’s set, since it causes Seven Sided Strike to immediately explode EP on an enemy.

So maybe to make the other runes more viable, Impending Doom could be removed or redesigned to no longer work the way it currently does, and in return the damage bonus on the Uliana set for EP could be increased to amke up for that (or another EP related legendary).

This would leave more room for the other runes to shine a bit more.

My idea for a replacement for Impending Doom would be a rune that applies Exploding Palm on up to X enemies that were hit by the EP explosion, or it simply could increase the area of effect of the detonation. But maybe someone else comes up with something better.

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I am not a Monk main, so I can’t say if what I’ll suggest below is actually a good idea or not, so I would be interested in what the Monk mains say about the following:

Although I like Exploding Palm, there is one thing I dislike about it. It is sometimes difficult for me to apply EP on the correct target when there are many enemies around and I think I often apply it on the same enemy, which is why I think that "Shocking Grasp" is my favorite EP rune, since it applies another EP to a random nearby enemy as well.

So if I could improve something about how EP works, I would like that the base unruned version (and therefore all runes of Exploding Palm) apply the DoT to 2 or 3 targets within 15 yards, not just the Socking Grasp rune.

Shocking Grasp then could increase the amount of targets that the EP DoT gets applied to by an additional +X eventually.

Alternatively or additionally whenever you use Exploding Palm on an enemy that already has EP applied on them, the DoT would then be instead appled to another enemy within 15 yards that currently does not already have the DoT effect applied on them.

I hope that made sense.

What do you think?

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Nice to see whether the most upvoted skills will made in to the new sets. FIst of Heavens and Tempest Run found their way from the top spot.

However, Phalanx was clearly neglected and is in danger to be left in a weak state for all eternity despite the several interesting supporting legendaries.

Soon, the next two classes might receive a set based on the top spot of the voting. (Not necessarily because of the voting but because it would be logical.)

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For the highest rated non-Crusader/Monk skills, I would like to see a Generator Barb and some Wizard set for either Blizzard or Hydra. A DH set for Elemental Arrow or Traps also would be interesting.

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My dream 2.6.8:

Barb:
Blade of the Tribes gets 800% EQ dmg, and moved to orange text.
Generators get some love.

Crusader:
Phalanx items get buffed.
FotH gets buffed a little bit (to offset the incoming HF nerf)
Akkhan gets a small bump.

DH:
Strafe weapons each get beefy multipliers.
Kridershot gets at least 500% orange text.
Wohjanni Assaulter bonus becomes separate multiplier

Monk:
God monk needs to be T16 viable (Dashing strike buff)
Ulianna buff so it’s a push build

Necro:
Buff to Inarius (with boneringer cap, there’s no danger)
Buff to non-Singularity mages
Requiem Cereplate also gives Cannibalize rune (I hate numlock trick)

WD:
Buff to Gargs, Dogs
Buff to Wall of Death, Acid cloud, Zombiebears

Wiz:
Spectral blade massive buff
Manald heal buff, preferably via electrocute

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Yeah, I would definitely like to see some love given to wizard’s Blizzard, Hydra, and/or Black Hole skills.

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Traps yes!

For EA, UE is already a set that buffs it since kridershot turns it into a generator. Kridershot just sucks atm.

First of all I got to say that Wizard and Barbarian buffed exactly the right skills. Good job! But Witch Doctor? Isn’t LoD Spirit Barrage one of the top builds already? I wonder who asked for it? Here are the most requested ones :wink:

Witch Doctor:
Zombie Bears/charger 19
Acid Cloud 11
Frogs/Spiders 10
Piranha / Bogodile 7
Grasp of the Dead 6
Zombie dog 5
Wall of Death 4
Fire Bomb 4
Sacrifice 4
Locust Swarm 3
Mass Confusion 3
Fetishes 2
Haunt 2
Big Bad Voodoo 2
Toad of Hugeness 1

In addition of requested Wd set revamp, I suggest to add Mirror Image or Blizzard to Wizard set.

Looking forward to play S20!

If a change/buff is made, lets make it to where the change shakes up the top leaderboard builds.

The buff(s) would have to be large enough to where Carnevil will be outperformed, whether through Zunimassa, or LOD.

Personally, I have had enough of Poison Darts being shot everywhere. Feels more like a DH than a WD…

The small buff given to Spite a season or two ago was a small step in the right direction, but it wasn’t nearly enough to make Gargantuan viable. It needed a damage buff or something in addition to the Cleave and Chill it got.

I know the OP is about skills and not items/set, but it would be nice to see Helltooth and/or Arachy played again. I miss zipping around as a speedy chicken! :wink:

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It was at a certain point and your thread on the original forum is also already at least over a half year old, or maybe almost one year…

True, though Spirit Barrage still has a LoD build, it only needed some item buffs. WD has several other skills that has next to no builds so they would’ve needed set desperately.

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