Settling the Private Loot Debate

It would be boring for one. Shared loot is one of the reasons d2 is exciting in groups and keeps people engaged, otherwise you would just have others stand back and do all the work (even more than it happens now). It would change how the game is played for lazy people.

If you have a game with shared loot of 8 players vs a game with personal of 8. There would obv be a huge advantage.

You can exp leech in FFA only but here we talk about loot…
I don’t argue about unequivocal things. Diablo 2 is designed for FFA. Personnel will destroy D2. Only D2 players understand that.

Uh it literally does change gameplay, spells and other attacks are autotargetting monsters and quick cast means pushing one button for a spell/attack instead of 2. Those are gameplay changes. SMH.

As a spanish person you might be aware that there are alot of animal names that are no insults, yet might be very offensive to you.
Rats are vermin and i think it is common understanding that they are not a pet name.

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That is not true. You can pick literally all items when leeching in FFA if you aim for it.

Again you are attacking other peoples “credibility”. Work on your arguments. Do not resort to ad-hominem.

Why?

What would it do to destroy D2?

I can get more loot in FFA,
I can more loot in Solo,
I get the same exp as in FFA-pub,
the items in circulations remain exactly the same.

The only difference is that one person (maybe you) is no longer taking the majority of the loot because of their fast clickspeed. In return the other people get roughly 1/8 of the loot (roughly the same as you).

It is a deal that you make. You give up 7/8 to get 1/8. It is not a good deal. It is low risk, low reward.
If you do not like the odds (and it seems you dont) then play FFA loot and get more than 1/8 loot with the risk of getting less.

to give you my opinion on the matter :
Even nowadays , there’s many people that join chaos run , baal run without doing anything and yet are still able to grab the best loot (and the ones that did the most dps gets nothing)
it happens often , currently with FFA , i static field the boss up to 50% then i attack it with my others spell and good god i’am the only one to continue attacking it , the 7 others players simply await me to kill it , looking at the ground to pick loot.
i don’t think there’s any “feeling of accomplishment” in that , simply being like a scavenger , awaiting for loot to pop on the floor without actually doing anything.
atleast with non-ffa they might be more inclined in attacking the monster/boss because they won’t fear the loot to be taken before they could which make overall in my opinion something more relaxed and more inclined to cooperation

look at any baal run , it’s always only 1 or 2 poeples that are actually attacking the boss the others are looking at the monsters feet while staying close to it… how can you say anything about a feeling of accomplishment in that let alone improvement ?

as for the lottery : rng is rng , you can get a shako from one andy like you can get it only after 1000 andy.

in the grand scheme of things , i disagree with your opinion as i don’t see why that change anything , let alone “significantly”
but as you said it depends on the players.

personally i usually simply go solo until i have very good equipement and i only go for pub for exp.
i think most people do that.
but as you say it might be different for each player , maybe you have a different experience , but to me the loot system has nothing to do with all this. (especially since it doesn’t change the drop rate)

of course i usually i’am able to grab what i want (even against pickit users/bot sometime) but still , the feeling to be the only one to attack is depressing.

i do respect your opinion though , you are a nice and polite forumer even if there’s a few points we may not agree with (which is normal , no ones have the exact same preferences , opinion or even experiences ) , we both love the game and know how to stay polite :slight_smile:

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You don’t even know what you’re talking about … why should I discuss it with you - haven’t you read that there is no debate to discuss?
Just read my first text - u found all answers.

Like most things, it seems like it would be easy enough to make a “classic drop/individual drop” toggle.

If you like classic, then keep it classic. If not, toggle to individual.

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I am seeing way to many people wanting changes to the game from more skill resets, loot etc. This is not a new game and Blizzard said they where not changing it, so if you don’t like the way D2 was then leave and go find another game. Jesus just wait till they start trying to farm for some of really rare stuff that some people never see in years.

No, i did not find the answer.

Your text had 2 lines.

You said, you can leech xp in ffa (nothing about ploot).
that you dont argue (nothing about ploot)
that d2 was designed for ffa (which doesnt mean ploot does not work)
that ploot will destroy d2 (which does not really have any backing arguments)
and that only d2 players understand that (which is evidently false because there are many d2 players here who understand just the opposite)

Because they need people to populate their game and have (for themselves) the loot of 8 players. It is THAT simple. They need the casual to make the FFA works. The guy with the controller…the guy who’s a bit slow… :smiley:

If there is an option…most of people (all the new players + some old vets like me and many others) will go to the realm for personal loot.
Their FFA realm will collapse, because of a too limited community…
…and at the end of the day they fear Blizzard remove this FFA and makes the personal loot the D2R loot system.

we are not asking for more loot.

We are asking for less item grabbing.

Again you assume that we do not know the game.
Many of us have been around for longer than you, bud. Stick to the point. Your adhominem are not helping your argument and only show your insecurity.

Worbworblworbl.
You really can’t read bro

yes and im here cause of d2, go play these games if you dont like d2’s lootsystem. changing it changes the game completely, if you cant see this im sorry for you :frowning:
d2’s lootsystem is the cornerstone of this game.
you guys just afraid to dont get any loot because you’re too slow probably ^^
git gud
.

Your first post is a link to the general discussion board.

Last chance:

How does it affect you?

errr ok i guess ? (seem a bit of a childish answer you are giving but eh to each their own)
but why giving misinformation about it being 8X more loot then ?

I described exactly how it affects me.
If I once give my opinion in detail and then say there is no discussion for me, why are you arguing? What is there not to understand about it? Do you have problems?

Longer then me LMAO you, I go all the way back to 56k and Warcraft. I am spot on sorry to upset you. If you want the easy train go play D3 or WoW or something else. Stop trying to change something that has been around and people still play to this day. Speaking of that how much of D2 have you personally played in the last year, since they announced it? I was on a lot.

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You made alot of false assertions. I reacted to all of them already.

Trading is not affected.
Thrill is still there.

You just want to force your playstyle onto others it seems.
If you see any harm in pLoot, name it. I am eager to hear it. But this scaremongering is not helping.

Good for you. The older people i had the pleasure of knowing usually grew wiser with age and learned how to control their emotions. So in a sense you stayed young. :wink:

Having said that, you still are not the only one. Knowing 56k and warcraft does not make you the gentical-adam of all gamers. You are just one of a small group of front runners. Who had a thick skin when it came to difficulty and usability, but also can learn some things that came after them.

I personally did not play alot D2 in the last year. Nor do i have to to have relevance in this discussion. It is a 20 year old game and i had plenty time to familiarize myself with the mechanics.
Additionally i visited alot more games and genres and learned alot about things that work and things that dont.
PLoot in itself is not a bad thing. It allows you to focus more on gameplay than on lootplay. I do not want to have extra loot. I want to enjoy my game. And many others also want that.
I know that balance and economy are important to d2 and i am careful not to suggest something that messes with it. This system does not. The items stay the same. The only people who lose something are those who are grabbing from weaker players. In return the weaker players have more trading value in their hands to participate in the economy. And when you put numbers on it (which some of you conveniently already did) it is around 1% of your valued items we are talking about.
Close to zero impact.

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Nobody is asking for D3. Why can’t another loot allocation method exist? Are you afraid people will like personal loot more and not want to join your games or what?

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