Difference is, a company will not exist without the customers who complain…period. if you feel like you would “show all these paying customers who’s boss”, you would be in for a rude awakening.
This isn’t a big enough issue to cause much damage, but if someone was as foolish as you said, it sure as heck would be.
Guess what. I AM the paying customer and I have the right to complain and call a heaping pile of cow pat, a cow pat. Whether or not, the company claims it’s really rainbow sherbet.
And as far as my car, guess what…I PAID for a warranty to cover issues like this so I made THEM fix it. My days of DOT inspections is plenty for me, I shouldn’t have to inspect my week old off the lot car for coolant.
Okay then we the players make all of the rules and have the final say in all things right. Blizz is just our genie where every wish is Blizz’s command right. Look I am sure that I wouldn’t have to do such a thing. Because the players would decry it everywhere including here that would get those that think otherwise. Bringing them in line and they would let the issue die out like it should. Was the season a bad idea for a theme yes. But is it an exploit, not according to Blizz and that is what I go by since they are in charge. They are the ones that makes all of the rules regardless of what you think.
As long as the company has the final say in all matters is what counts. Sure you can disagree with it till you are blue in the face. But you cannot personally force Blizz to change their mind on the matter unless you have enough numbers, which you don’t.
This means that your beef is that Blizz doesn’t agree with your call on the matter, that is what you and others are butt hurt over.
Since it is a second hand car my father would inspect it. Unless he fully knew the individual he was getting it from. And all he would do is a walk around inspection looking for things like leaks and see if the tires are low or not. Remember buyers beware, being too trusting isn’t very helpful when it comes to buying second hand cars.
There aren’t any precisely because it was supposed to work the same way it does in single player. Obviously.
Ah, I see. So your stance is that instead of heading this off at the past by telling us how it was supposed to work in multiplayer, they instead waited until people discovered it and started using it and THEN decided to be transparent about it. Yeah, you’re right, that does make more sense. If you’re a gullible sap.
By the way, how flippin’ ironic is it that you KNOW they aren’t usually transparent and yet you’re willing to take their word on this despite all evidence to the contrary?
If it were supposed to be like this then this is all the more reason they should have told us. After all, there was a chance nobody would ever discover it, and then nothing would have been shaken up.
Logic hurts, doesn’t it?
So it’s your position they knew about this in the PTR and knowingly released a glitchy Seasonal theme? How hard are you holding onto that Idiot Ball? Throw it away already.
And again I call you foolish for it.
2 big reasons that’s garbage.
You admit Blizzard isn’t transparent, so what makes you think they’re telling you the truth?
There is an overwhelming amount of evidence to the contrary. Just because you apparently like putting sand in your eyes so you can’t see it doesn’t mean the rest of us do.
Shadow… the first hint that the analogy you’re using isn’t a good example is when you immediately disprove it in the same paragraph.
And you know some of the posters here real well. Thus, you know we call out Blizzard when we feel they need calling out and we defend Blizzard when we feel they’re doing it right.
This is a case of the former.
It’s more like you’d have the authority to ignore what you want to ignore. You wouldn’t - and Blizzard doesn’t - have the authority to make us all buy that BS.
World doesn’t revolve around you, and the overall topic is going to continue regardless of your stated position - because most everyone else knows what a crock it is and they’re going to tell Blizzard so.
the strength lies in the truth. and if they think customers are goofy, they ruin their reputation, trust in next projects like d4 and show what the players can expect in the future.
a small sentence with “sorry” would have been enough. s21 is really something for 1st april and memes.
Of course not. I don’t read anything you say, since I already said before I’m not interested in arguing with you. I would appreciate if you stopped replying to me.
The transferring of stacks is intentional because of the scaling mechanics of seasonal damage in multiplayer. As more players are in the game the amount of damage of the seasonal buff diminishes significantly. A single player with 50+ stacks can use a snowball to destroy a GR150 RG. In a 4-player game if you and your team don’t have 500+ stacks you won’t kill a GR150 RG.
It seems that many people who criticize the season mechanics might not have learnt how to play them and what is required for a GR150 clear.
Lol, you got to be kidding me, a slim to none chance. You would probably have a better chance at hitting power ball lottery three times in a roll before players missing what is possible with the season 21 buff.
I am not talking just PTR I am talking about in general. How many times have they had things that were released glitchy. I am sure there are more times than this one.
Oh now it is impossible for them to tell the truth at all. Then all of their games are lies. If you add in what someone else said and stretch it where all programmers lie all of the time. Then we can just stop playing video games entirely and watch TV or get some other hobby like collecting stamps or coins.
It is not good enough for me though.
I am proving a very simple point. The umpires have full authority in the game. Even bad calls will stand unless they are challenged and overturned. It happens in football as well. Referees in football have made bad calls that have stood. Some bad calls could’ve costed teams games because of the bad call. But since they have the final word (Blizz) that is what stands. Whether or not the football players and managers (players) agree with the call or not.
We need to let that decision stand, unless they change their mind. Besides it is only for a total of three months.
How long does it usually take for four man groups to reach GR150, a month, 2 months? I am speaking on average.
Another irrelevant stupidly exaggerated point by you. Yes, you should definitely stop playing video games and start reading some books because your brain has turned into mush. This level of reading comprehension and poor analogies are just…
Lots of times, and they’ve admitted they were glitches and tried to fix them. This is the first time I remember that they’ve claimed they deliberately designed the glitches.
Okay, bright eyes. Since you like precedent so much, why don’t you go ahead and tell me when they’ve designed a Seasonal theme to work differently in multiplayer than in single player? Oh, wait, you can’t because they haven’t.
In fact, the last time we had a Seasonal buff that was based on stacks - Season 19 - they went specifically out of their way to make it work exactly the same in multiplayer. From the Diablo Wiki on Season 19: “Powers are tracked at a group level; this means only one power can be active in play at a time, regardless of the number of players in a group.”
You want to know how you can tell you’ve lost the argument, Shadow? It’s when you’ve got nothing but semantics left to go on. Further, YOUR stance is an assumption as well. When you have 2 assumptions and one follows the status quo and one doesn’t, guess which one you should default to.
So if it was inevitable discovery, then why NOT tell us? Yeah, you don’t have a good reason.
I can’t point to a time when they released anything with glitches intentionally. So precedent and logic tell us that they didn’t do it this time either.
This is another one of those exaggerated tirades full of bullsh** that you go on when you don’t actually have an answer to the question.
Furthermore, you KNOW I’ve defended Blizzard on things where I thought they WERE telling the truth. So it looks even dumber for you to go on a rant full of hyperbole in response to something I asked you.
But I’ll give you another chance: You admit Blizzard isn’t transparent, so what makes you think they’re telling the truth about this?
Nobody cares.
Yeah, and then you immediately disproved it. It’s a bad analogy. Get over it, move on.
I should also point out that just because they give those guys authority doesn’t mean everyone agrees with them. Blizzard might have authority to do what they want in this case, but they don’t have the authority to make me believe them. That’s the key point.
Horsecrap. We all know the decision is going to stand. The point is to let them know it’s a bad decision.
I had people in my clan do it in the first week, if I’m remembering right. Definitely by the end of the second week.
Because we don’t want nonsense like this to happen again. Obviously.
Richie is over there telling us he’s watching and relaying. So we might as well make damn sure he relays that BS isn’t going to work as an explanation, and that we expect better.
What is left to shake up during a season other than how groups function.
Since you know it will stand then state your objection then move on. Beating it like a dead horse is only wasting time.
If it takes one week for a group to reach GR150 regardless of the season buff. Regardless of whether they use it to the full or not. And it took around the same time for the so called exploit. Then it fails the exploit test on that point. It is not an unfair advantage if it doesn’t change the average time it takes a group to reach GR150.
No, I’m saying WITH the Seasonal buff it was the end of the second week, at worst.
sigh The difference in how the group works is that they periodically separate from each other (and go offscreen) to avoid the stack reset.
Even if it weren’t Seasonal exploit crap, it would be a horrific mechanic by itself. That’s the kind of awareness and coordination you ask out of a raid group in an MMO, not an ARPG monster slayer.
Further, if “shaking up how group’s function” is the only thing to do, then why is this the first Season where they’ve done it? Remember, I pointed out that in Season 19 they specifically DIDN’T do that.
Weren’t you the one who said they were done like 5 posts ago? What are you still doing here?
And am I to assume I win everything you didn’t address? Thanks. So we know your analogy was trash, you admit you have absolutely no reason to think Blizzard is telling the truth here, you’re agreeing that they don’t release glitchy mechanics and that means it’s highly likely they didn’t know about this, and you’re unable to pull any instance of them intentionally designing a Seasonal theme to work differently in multiplayer.
But that is what occurred in S19. One barb would go off and holds the stacks and then reset the group back to a lower stack count after they killed. In this season one barb goes off and holds the stacks then resets the group to a higher stack count. The mechanics of holding the stacks are similar, the difference is that in S19 you hit to hold the stacks and, in this season, to kill to hold the stacks.
They used the same code from S19 and changed it from 6 seconds to 90 seconds and changed hit to kill. The only difference I see from S19 to current is that they changed the player’s effects from a group predetermined spawn to an individually randomized spawn.
Now here is the reason why I went down this road. If regardless of the use of stack swapping or not I would still reach GR150 within a week or two playing on a team. Then it fails the test of being an exploit and I know why Blizz didn’t call it one.
It is saying that if you have two teams one that use stack swapping and the other don’t. Both start at about the same time. Have the same classes and specs. Have about the same skill level of play. If both arrive at GR150 within about the same time frame give a couple of hours either way then it is not an unfair advantage so it isn’t an exploit. Which is why Blizz decided it isn’t an exploit.
Here is a list of articles that all state somewhere in the article that an exploit has to give an unfair advantage over other players that don’t use it.
Season themes are experiments that they carry out every season. So it only changes things for three months. I could totally see them doing something like this. Especially since they have done many other things in times past that have left us scratching our heads as far as why they done them.
Take a look at how crazy GGG gets with their leagues. This is another reason why I can totally see Blizz pulling something like it.
Just because they decided to say it’s not, doesn’t mean it’s not. If they pointed to a cowpat and said “That’s not a cowpat.” would that suddenly mean it wasn’t a cowpat? If they said it was a pancake would you like me to put syrup on it and serve it to you for breakfast? You know, because if they say it’s one thing, even when you know it’s another, it magically becomes what they said it is.
You know your asking him to start debating cow pats now. “Well if your cow pat is the same size and has the same density, as well as taking just as much time to produce than the other cow pats…”