I have and even posted such. Also, I know it will change multiplayer group dynamics. Some will say for the better while some will say for the worse.
This is not true. The average frequency will be the same. There is the perception that this is true, but it is due to initially considering more items good, but as you get further along in end game that list tends to narrow or good items that you already have are considered slightly less good, and the missing good items become more valuable.
So whatâs good about getting worse drops for a longer period of time? (even though an average, you get the same amount and rarity of drops ofc) It just is demotivating!
And this is not a negligible effect⊠in physics, the very same thing for dirt particles in water is called âBrownian Motionâ, which you can easily see under a microscope. It has nothing to do with a âbelieveâ. I mean, there was is a novel price awarded for the experimental discovery⊠this is not my weird phantasy, just to argue against changes. People, who say, personal loot has no negatives, are just plain wrong. The longer you play, the worse this will get and people would just be suffering.
Ofc the average is the same. But the VARIANCE increases, as you keep playing. â Have a look at ârandom walksâ or âBrownian Motionâ.
I have not said that. I could be wrong, but you and many others have not said that FFA loot has no negatives. It is a personal opinion where there are pros and cons for each
There is a certain drop rate for a good item. That rate does not change if at end game farming the same areas/monsters.
Letâs say on average a good item drops once in 500 total drops on average. The probability P of not getting a good item drop among n total drops is
P = (1 - 1/500) ^ n
You will notice that this formula does not have a time factor or any information about prior drops.
This is not the same as Brownian motion. It is a binomial distribution.
Are you trying to get at the relative variance around the expected mean decreases of a binomial distribution as n increases. That is true. However, that variance does not alter the binomial frequency per se.
I know, man! 
Thatâs exactly what I said. ON AVERAGE, you get the same loot. But there are periods, in which (by chance) you do not get good loot. Dry spells, in which you canât find items. The longer you play, the longer these periods get.
I mean, read my post above, everything is explained there⊠It is not about the droprates. NOT about the average.
See, letâs say we farm a Boss and he has a chance of p[good loot] to drop something valuable. With that, I mean something, that does not get vendored for example. Now on average, you do see a good item every 1/p runs, right? So the expectation value (theoretical average) for the number of runs, you do not see a good item, is
N_0 = 1/p - 1
Because on the 1/p-th run, you will on average get a good items again.
But there is the variance (the error of the expectation value)
Var(N) = <(N_0 - N)^2>
Where N is just the total number of runs, you do. Notice the square! This quantity is always positive and it increases with the number of runs (so with the time played, as long as you grind mobs). The error of the expectation value gets bigger, as the number of runs increases. This causes the expectation value to predict drops in a short amount of runs worse and worse, statistically. This means, even though, you do always have the same chances for good loot, the time, in which you will not find a good item, will increase with time / runs.
Also the periods, in which you find GG items in a row increases of course. But in an 8 Players game, with personal (randomly distributed) loot, we get into the regime, where the periods of bad loot might become of the order of half a ladder, considering that they are going to be 3 months only.
Now tell me, how motivating is it, to maybe have a GG ladder, where you find 6 high runes and then the next ladder, you donât even see one end-game item?
I am not completely against changes, I also have a long list of changes, which I would like. But most of the suggestions in these forums are way bigger changes, than most people think.
This still follow the binomial distribution. The longer you play, you also have periods where good drops cluster together.
| Total Item drops (n) | Average Expected Drop Percentage ± 3 SD [~99.7% probabilty that each case of sample size n will fall within this range, SD = standard devaition which is the sqaure roo of the variance) |
|---|---|
| 100 | 12.5% ± 10.7% |
| 1000 | 12.5% ± 3.4% |
| 10000 | 12.5% ± 1.1% |
| 100000 | 12.5% ± 0.3% |
| 1000000 | 12.5% ± 0.1% |
This example is based on 1 in 8 chance but not 1 in 500 but it illustrates what I am saying. You are absolutely correct that the longer you play, you will experience more âdroughtsâ but you will also experience more positive clustering.
So in this example letâs compare 10 100 item drops versus a single 1000 drops.
The standard deviation(whci is the square root of the variance) for any 100 drops will be rather variable. Sometimes in 100 drops you get way more (and way less) than you expect on average. If you look at 1000 drops the relative variance is less.
True! And thatâs not at all a problem, if the droughts are not too long. But if they get to the order of a ladder, it is a big problem, because people will have incredibly good ladders and incredibly bad ladders.
And now all I am saying is: thatâs a huge change, considering, that this was never the case in D2.
The primary way mathematically (or computationally) to decrease the potential drought length is to increase the drop rate or to put in a pity timer. Increasing the drop rate probably is taboo; however, I suspect that they will do this eventually.
In D2 currently, you have item duping and rampant botting that has increased the supply of items to trade. Without this (or in the case where this is significantly reduced), the item economy will have far more limited supply and there will be inflation in item value.
Yes, you are right, but that raises the average, so you will have way more good items in the game, because thousands and thousands of people play the game and there the average works perfectly again. And now theitem values differ drastically from original D2 and there are way too many OP runewords. -> huge change
Well, I think a real inflation is not going to happen, because the currency drops (runes) change with the item drops. But it is a difference, if there are 100 Grief runewords, or 1000 Griefs, as the Barbarians and Smiters would take over the game 
It depends on what D2 trade economy is being discussed. If it is a current âclosedâ trade economy with little duping and botting (primarily legitimate players), the trade economy in D2R will be similar in D2.
If the particular D2 trade economy has lots of duping and botting, then D2R will result in a supply side shortage in comparison, raising prices (assuming that D2R can eliminate duping and decrease bots).
OMFG I beat hell a few times, stop trying to undermine my arguments with that excuse because you have no real argument other than no change bad iâm too old, everthing was perfect when i was a kid and it still is
Iâd be OK with new things, balance changes, QoL changes, which they are already doing (shared stash), just no âcoreâ gameplay changes. Donât mess with PVP or FFA loot or how games are created and joined, etc.
Hey carebear sorry ya not getting what ya want. But not changing to every whim for the casuals is not killing the game. This game has been going for 20 years and looks like it is going keep going strong for another 20. Hey D3 is active and D4. On day one I am sure you can be max level 40 with BIS gear with your pet monkey by your side and puprle butterfly flowing close behind. Then go into your Secret carebear unicorn fairytale land and eat some candy canes. Go to town brother and have fun.
Toxic purists already shining, looks like a very promising future for the game. D2 community atm is too small to be profitable for blizzard or worth investing time and money in, and if you get your way D2R will very quickly return to the same spot. So stop whining old man, change is good and no matter how good something was it can be better. I hope the devs will find a middleground for old and new players and not only listen to whiny old guys who think everything they had as kids was perfect
Donât play public games, if you ask me. If private games will be possible, then thatâll be a good time for certain.
These losers like this Heatcrusher guy arenât worth the time and effort to play with. Let 'em play by themselves.
20 years later, ppl still playing Diablo 2 and his âold mecanicsâ.
Purists could try to âcalm downâ, same for newcomers buddy.
The game is a masterpiece, mecanics are amazing. Only thing that is bad and hasnt aged well is the graphism, thanks god we got a remaster 
Donât worry, Diablo 4 is coming, full of QoL changes and stuff 
20 years later like 20 people are playing the game and 10000 bots lol. The game is amazing but it has to get updates and changes in the remaster just like they did in the actual game. Im not even going to respond to the D4 thing anymore
So fix bots ? D2R is supposed to be clean, so problem solved.
Nothing else need to changed, especialy the mecanics/gameplay.
To anyone wanting drastic changes go post them in the D4 forums. This is a D2 remaster and not a remake.
LMAO! Here we go again, another expert in economics and game designer emerges with âbrilliantâ ideas to spice up a classic game that has stood the test of time.