A little late in the season to complain but yes the leader boards pretty much show this the composition is almost the same 1 thru a thousand all lvl 150 but its only a season when cube buff is gone it will balance out .
I would say they totally nerfed hydra way to much. Its gutter waste now. Thats the set and lod they need to buff.
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There was a youtube video linked from within this forum. I do not know the basics not basic is what you meant. I loved it. You saw what you wanted to see in what I wrote and there was a bug they fixed. duh. A LOT of us tried the bug. It was not good and unfair. Chantodos was overpowered at the time. Notsomuch now, but then it was. They could probably reverse it now .
Not sure why you are comparing a Vrys build that was played two full eras ago to the current rend build. Players have had alot of time to gain paragon and that is the reason why rend is performing similar to prenerf vrys. To add the top vrys clear was 148 which is still +1 to the current rend performance with over 6 months of extra paragon gains. Do not ask for rend nerfs. Ask for prenerf vrys to come back. I can guarantee you that if vrys went untouched we would have seen multiple solo 150s already. It was that good!!!
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Because myself and several others tested the invicnicibilty combo that was in the bugs forum when someone posted it FFS. DUH again. It only worked within the rift it started not when you went into the next area. My asia VYR’s (I play in all three regions and with varied builds) did 120 with under 2K paragons. So I have a decent inkling of the build and I have a life obviously and do not bot or play in groups by choice or I’d have double that. 108 now it’s nerfed. So
If you missed the video, that’s not my issue.
Americas top Wizard - VYRS- 140
https://prnt.sc/sp5la8
Europe top Wizard - Season 138 -VYRS
https://prnt.sc/sp5m88
Europe non- Season top = VYR’s - 143
https://prnt.sc/sp5mly
Asia Season 133
https://prnt.sc/sp5ney
Asia non-Season Top build VYR’s - 142
https://prnt.sc/sp5nt8
If you are going to make sweeping statements and crap on people as ignorant, make sure you are not ignorant first.
Here is the top worldwide non-season clears for wizards and barbarians for the last 3 eras.
Era 11 Wizard
| Rank | BattleTag | Class | GR | Time | Paragon | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 花无缺#51108 <速度与激情> | wizard | 148 | 14:33 | 10903 | |
| 2 | Lenio#2877 | wizard | 146 | 13:53 | 9362 | |
| 3 | darkpatator#2265 | wizard | 145 | 13:08 | 10723 | |
| 4 | fw6263#5301 <黄金团> | wizard | 145 | 14:51 | 9677 |
Era 11 Barbarian (Top clear GR 135, very weak)
| Rank | BattleTag | Class | GR | Time | Paragon | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | darkpatator#2265 | barbarian | 135 | 14:51 | 10752 |
Era 12 Wizard
| Rank | BattleTag | Class | GR | Time | Paragon | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Lenio#2877 | wizard | 145 | 14:32 | 9836 | |
| 2 | 법순잉#31340 | wizard | 145 | 14:59 | 9317 |
Era 12 Barbarian
| Rank | BattleTag | Class | GR | Time | Paragon | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 피어로이#3283 | barbarian | 146 | 13:45 | 9810 | |
| 2 | 긱스타#3112 | barbarian | 146 | 14:29 | 10729 | |
| 3 | 风中劲草#5653 | barbarian | 146 | 14:51 | 9477 | |
| 4 | darkpatator#2265 | barbarian | 145 | 13:43 | 11799 | |
| 5 | Horasohn#2399 | barbarian | 145 | 14:22 | 8390 | |
| 6 | fw6263#5301 <国服黄金团> | barbarian | 145 | 14:25 | 11997 |
Era 13 Wizard (Top clear is GR 143)
| Rank | BattleTag | Class | GR | Time | Paragon | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Schm0n#2725 | wizard | 143 | 14:55 | 8987 |
Era 13 Barbarian
| Rank | BattleTag | Class | GR | Time | Paragon | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 피어로이#3283 | barbarian | 147 | 14:30 | 10530 | |
| 2 | fw6263#5301 <黄金团> | barbarian | 146 | 13:06 | 12667 | |
| 3 | Mugen#22820 | barbarian | 145 | 12:48 | 10099 | |
| 4 | Horasohn#2399 | barbarian | 145 | 13:05 | 8726 | |
| 5 | 曠野遊俠#3890 <天下因我爾亂> | barbarian | 145 | 13:27 | 11050 | |
| 6 | Den78ru#2675 | barbarian | 145 | 14:51 | 11355 |
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Pretty much as I suspected. The pre-nerf VYR’s and Barb are close and not way apart from each other. Next to this season’s WD they are both far apart. I knew it the moment I did 105 with WD under 800 with nothing imbued.
Look at ALL the boards. Americas is not the only one. You are not stupid, that much is obvious so use the brain you have. Also include non-season in each. The thing is not everyone plays non-season or only season. Not everyone plays in a group, not everyone bots etc etc…you get my point. Millions of sales and only 1,000 on leaderboards. Look at the ones in the midrange around the same paragons. They tend to give a better average.
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I can say the same thing. The gap is not as large as you imply which I have now said three times. If it was, they would have already nerfed barbs.
The sader and WD were and they have been nerfed. Those two exceeded both VYR’s and WW.
Look at the midrange, for the second time please. It’s not as large as you think. This is where a larger proportion of people that play live. The middle 501 down
What I showed was wizards and barbs. To my knowledge, all the top barb clears in era 12 (top GR 146) and 13 (GR 147) are ww/rend.
The top EU vyr/chant from era 12 is GR 143.
The top EU vyr/chant from era 13 is GR 143.
The top Asia vyr/chant era 12 is GR 141.
The top Asia vyr/chant era 13 is GR 142.
The top America vyr/chant era 12 is GR 138.
The top America vyr/chant era 13 is GR 140.
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I do understand the math funnily enough.
What you do not get is you are placing 3,000 players out of millions that purchased the game above everyone else. Guess what ? Blizzard doesn’t.
It is actually YOU that does not get it and until you do, then you will keep frustrating yourself with your own logic, no matter how accurate it is. Blizzard calculated it on 5K and below. They clearly said the majority of players. Yo are doing the logistics of the game to justify a reasoning that has no place in their intent.
They will work for the majority of players not a lesser amount that have no life or no job, but the ones that play it regularly and comprise of the greater numbers.
I did not make their policy. Yo can take that onboard or keep frustrating yourself and also keep assuming I know nothing, when you know nothing about me, or for that matter, me about you. Either way, you’d be wrong.
EDIT: If it was an E-SPORTS, then everything you have said would be 100% correct because there would be money in it. This is a free game, so they won’t.
Personally, if Blizzard thinks that GR 147 is fine as a top solo non-season clear, then it would make sense to me to revert the nerf to vyr/chant build.
What criteria are you using to define “are exactly where they NEED to be, so is Vyrs”?
Is it your opinion that crusaders and witch doctors well-balanced in comparison to Rend and TR?
I am not sure how you can accurately say that the solo power of vyr/chant is equivalent to ww/rend. They appear to be 4-5 GRs apart.
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Which player has a perfect roll on every piece of gear in both WW/rend and VYR’s Chantodo? That is, both sets and has tested both and likes playing both(also important) at the identical paragon level to be 100% sure?
ANSWER: - Nobody as yet.
There are too many variables in every figure and each player. Some people with 2K nearly as high as players with 5 times that. So not cut and dried.
You can look broadly at the leaderboards and consider the variables
https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/d3/t/solo-game-balance-non-season-era-11-and-12-data-and-analysis/10865
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The original post and several later posts are asking for consistency. My understanding on the request is either 1) buff Vyr/chant back to prior levels OR 2) nerf builds of similar power of pre-nerf vyr/chant to a similar extent.
Personally, I would like to see a buff to vyr/chant.
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What you are arguing on is fact. What the entire game is made of and the stats they choose to keep or nerf for VYR’s and WW are not. If I could be bothered hunting for the official Blizzard post I would put it here, but I cannot. Again, your logistics may be correct, but to repeat again, it is not the determining factor. the gaps are not as large and the most basic of logic says that if it was, it would already be nerfed like the sader and WD.
As you were.
Blizz won’t unnerf chantodo, they introduced new hydra set and i think they will focus on that for pushing. Balancing is suppose to occur after next season, but i doubt that chanto/vyr will get boost. More likely it will be other sets like firebirds or dmo.
I play both … I had 3.8k in the previous ERA, I did 130 solo in 13m with ease with WW. Now, with Vyr double elements and almost 4.6k, I made 131 in 14:44m with some difficulty and several keys. Note that, I am a much better Vyr player than WW player.
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