1: Mod support is absolutely useless now
Say goodbye to the best mods that made D2 have more depth and variety to it. They should be expanding on this, not removing it. Totally moving backwards.
2: They are not fixing the battle.net closed networking problems
This has been a problem since 1.09d and it still sticks around and they will not fix it. You will not be able to hit with a 95% chance to hit because the enemy you are trying to hit is in a different location. You will not be able to kill things correctly with spells like fireball and you will kill things behind you, to the sides, etc. instead of the target you actually hit on your screen and targeted. The networking programming is absolutely horrid and they never fixed it for over 10 years. I donât expect that to change.
They removed TCP/IP
This destroyed the only hope people had to play locally with friends where you could remove a lot of these closed battle.net networking problems.
Lobbys are a set system instead of a search which makes it extremely difficult to want to join certain people.
It is funny to me because people complain about not changing the game and they say they wonât but yet they already have and so far they have made very important things FAR WORSE. At least they havenât screwed up the original balance âyetâ. I have a feeling that time will come too at this rateâŚ
oh, you heavenât heard the news yet about lobbies then. they are going to change it to the same thing console players use because they have no keyboards and just to keep it simple, IT SUCKS!!! lolâŚ
Itâll sell, make its money back and more, a flop is hard to judge unless you expect a certain amount.
I donât like all the changes but itâs still 95% what I wanted and now it all depends on how smooth the launch is. D4 is the real deal maker or breaker for me and will be more impact full if a failure.
Edit: not touching console myself so for me thatâs a meh situation and Lan I havenât used since the 90s, and never used the wsg in pvp. So my thoughts clearly ignore those issues.
2: While there are still netcode âanomoliesâ like desync, it may be something they can improve on at a later date. While I did see desync a couple of times during the beta, it wasnât nearly as often as the original game.
3: LAN play is a huge minority compared to Battle.net play. Yes it is sad that it is gone, but they have their reasons for eliminating it. (Hardening the game against hackers/packet sniffers is likely a part of the reason)
4: Iâm pretty sure you can invite/join friends games.
1: Mods can still be played on the original game.
No, Project Diablo and Plugy both said they will not be doing anything with this because they cannot due to how the game is changing.
2: While there are still netcode âanomoliesâ like desync, it may be something they can improve on at a later date.
So we all pay and cross our fingers?
3: LAN play is a huge minority compared to Battle.net play. Yes it is sad that it is gone, but they have their reasons for eliminating it. (Hardening the game against hackers/packet sniffers is likely part of the reason)
Ya, i heard the excuses, not good enough.
4: Iâm pretty sure you can invite/join friends games.
What about casual guys you are just starting to meet that are not on your friends list and you have no interest to go that far? Like a casual random encounter.
Again with the idea that TCP/IP = mod scene and its entirety?.. Good griefâŚ
What, pray tell, is a âset systemââŚ? Thereâs a lot of hat trick words youâre using in this postâŚ
This is your op onions. Theyâre making me cry the same way as they do when I cut them - itâs an annoyance.
Not sure why you do but okay.
PS. None of this is personal, but then again I am always critical of people who donât do any research or talk about things in a way that makes it painfully obvious you have no idea what youâre talking about. Also Iâm extremely sleepy⌠Iâm outta here. mata ashĂŹta ne~⌠nemui⌠-_ -
The developers of already established mods are very stubborn people who are stuck in their ways and refuse to accept D2R because they donât like the approach Vicarious Visions is taking with modernizing some of the features theyâve changed. Their mods can be moved to D2R with some effort. Them claiming it cannot be done is because of their stubbornness, not because of any form of fact. They donât know for a fact that modding wonât be possible. Fight me over this.
Many of us have been playing D2LOD in its current state (shoddy netcode) and are enjoying it just fine. Everyone that hasnât played much, if any D2LOD is saying to the contrary because theyâre not hardened to the lifestyle that is D2LODâs old systems.
Then just leave man⌠Youâre just like the rest when it comes to this matter. All bark, no bite. Prefer to make noise rather than listen to more knowledgeable people.
Where can I find this info? Because in Beta, it had the traditional lobby system, so I donât see why they would make the sudden, and stupid, change to console lobbies for PC, when they have everything there already from Legacy, it doesnât make sense.
Theyâve pretty much said that multiplayer modding will not be possible, only single player.
That does kill a lot of enjoyment and playing for many people.
They cleary stated that mods would work, just not by the same reverse engineered code as before, but as part of their plataform. Like they mentioned on BlizzConline and by the recent post:
So, no isnât useless you just need the modders to do what you had on classic d2. If they wonât do it, you always could keep playing what you already have. The plataform will be different but doesnât mean that couldnât have mods, maybe a fewer at launch and some emerging later on.
That most likely would be solved by using google servers, on d2r open beta the connection was way better than early access beta, but they need some improvements in that end for sure. You also can always play single player if you want it without relying on any internet connection, only periodic ones for validation and updates.
They removed a non-secure feature. While most likely the global server with google cloud servers being able to satisfy the connectivity of everyone, they should create a way to improve the latency either tweaking the netcode paired with that. Most likely at first ladder season the servers would be working really well. I had excelent experiences with the same feature on Overwatch, even playing on Switch with folks around the globe.
Thatâs a thing that will be on consoles, which at launch will be like that. Could be changed in future, like the restriction of nintendo switch to play only with 4 players.
They didnât screwed up anything, they removed a feature that was well know as insecure like the one who made bots, hacks, cheats and mods being a thing on classic d2, after some folks exploiting on Alpha the feature. Because of that they closed that door and will use the battlenet plataform for it, like their other games already have.
They will not mess with classic d2, they just donât want that the same âbad stuffâ that happened on classic d2 happen on d2r. If they kept TCP/IP the same would happen in a couple of hours.
Those modded servers stopping to work on their own variant of Classic D2 has nothing to do with D2R. Like blizzard stated they wouldnât do anything towards them. That couldnât be said about D2R tho. Unless they reach blizzard and accept their terms to begin with, instead of unreasonable demands. Thereâs a legal section who details everything about how they could approach blizzard in that regard, so far I didnât saw they even trying to follow it.
If youâre not confident on their work, you should cancel the pre-order(if you had) and wait to see the launch and have your own conclusions about it. You can always go back and play classic d2, like you always did, while you wait about what they gonna do with d2r.
Iâm not gonna say minority, but with enough optimizations paired with google cloud services, could give you an 20-80 ms easily. On open beta I had moments with 62ms(normally at 120ms) and Iâm outside of the U.S. On overwatch I can reach 42ms(normally at 72ms) sometimes. For a person who played on their classic d2 realms with 2k-4k ms itâs really different experience.
Unless youâre playing on console you could do just fine, like you always did on pc. On the other hand they stated some console features:
If you didnât liked what you saw, feel free to refund and see for yourself if will be a flop or not. I hope those info could help you to make your own decision.
Well, I disagree with you.
Game canât flop, cause itâs D2, and as far as your grievances go, get a refund.
We donât need to hear all your reasons, this isnât your personal blog,
and frankly we donât care.
Why do people assume their opinion is so important, and that the world needs
to know.
In spite of what anyone might believe, modding was never supported. Thereâs no access to the source code, thereâs no official way to plug code in, and thereâs no API (Thatâs 1337 speak for documentation). Thereâs just a bunch of flat files, and some nasty binary tweaking, which is the worst way imaginable to mod anything. Mods also didnât really become popular until 10 years after 1.10, when the game had already died as a result of them releasing 1.10.
They most likely canât fix the net code, as they most likely do not have access to it, and even if they do, it probably takes a little more effort than blowing wishful thinking at it, as undocumented procedural spaghetti is the number one cause of hernia in the developed world.
Theyâre indirectly calling their fanbase too naĂŻve to take care of their own privacy and anti-malware measures, and are removing access to a few buttons instead of attaching warning dialogues to them, but what can you do? Itâs most likely the board-of-whatever who are forcing their hand, who are known â at least by developers â to be even more ignorant than their fanbase.
I can see this code in my head, and I donât know what youâre getting at. Pretty sure this is easy to fix.
If they approach in the right way, could have, just not as private server but something endorsed by them. They already have BETA, LIVE and PTR for it, enabling multiplayer mods shouldnât be problematic, if done on their ways not on modder ways.
Battlenet supports multiple realms, like previously were related to americas, asia and europe. Modded realms can be done, is only a matter of who would be willing to accept it. Even WoW has 2 (classic and current). Wow Classic is a proof of a modded version of WoW.
Doesnât mean should be easy, but isnât impossible.
First they should be compatible with this: https://www.blizzard.com/en-us/legal/fba4d00f-c7e4-4883-b8b9-1b4500a402ea/blizzard-end-user-license-agreement
Then, if everything itâs at accordance, needs to follow those guidelines and be in an agreement with blizzard legal session. https://www.blizzard.com/en-us/legal/2749df07-2b53-4990-b75e-a7cb3610318b/custom-game-acceptable-use-policy
Followed by those rulings: https://www.blizzard.com/en-us/legal/a2989b50-5f16-43b1-abec-2ae17cc09dd6/blizzard-developer-api-terms-of-use
Appears to be a bit too much, but if they follow the guidelines they could negotiate, instead of trying to demand, which some âposts from thoseâ made. The deal needs to be favorable for blizzard interests, thatâs why should follow their guidelines on legal session, as far Iâm aware neither of those approaches were done in that manner. Blizzard wants money and wants ownership of any content created on their plataforms, after the huge blow they got from DOTA. So unless those modders accepts it, wouldnât be a desireable deal for them.
They even stated they wouldnât do anything for those modders on classic d2, meaning they donât want to change that, but doesnât mean they would accept the same âmass reverse engineered codeâ going be a thing at d2r. So either those modders accept the terms or just keep their work on d2 classic. Thatâs where the money talks and those modders doesnât want to lose. But those same modders could reach an agreement if they were willing to do so.
There is 2 sides wanting money. Thatâs why unless modders change their stance itâs really unlikely to have any multiplayer mod on d2r. Their plataform already have structure for it, just needs someone willing to make a deal with them and work by integrating and having some heavy lifiting on the code.
