Uhh its clearly unbalanced and too OP of a set… because I remember at one point Blizzard said NO ONE should be able to clear Solo 150 regardless of how good of a player you may be at the game. GR147 Solo was to be the max limit cap.
So this means, crusader will be old crusader ( out of meta), barb will get nothing, and wizards will be top as usual.
Nothing changed. I hope im wrong but i lost trust in d3 team.
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imagine nerfing all classes so much that hitting the gr rift cap wont even be possible anymore. so all the low paragon players who wanna try to get close to the 10k paragon players wont have a chance since their xp gain will be much smaller after this nerf will hit
how about instead of nerfing everything? just buff the other sets? and up the rift levels to the max the game can handle.
this is one thing the devs really need to decide after the few years now. it’s either we want people to push greaters to the max or we don’t. if they do not want that then don’t buff sets. if they do then really every set needs a buff that is lacking just take a look at the leaderboards for all class sets/specs then buff the sets lacking.
such as barb the belt nerf was not needed. bazooka really shoulden’t need a nerf. or the new sader set instead they should focus bringing the rest up to par in power.
because while the sets are geting people to 150…no ones able to reach 150 without the paragon. without the paragon the sets are actually working fine. the paragon is what raises people to go beyond what the set can do.
them stats really boost up there…you mention about upping rift cap that’s great then gear needs to boost with. after so long they really need to just flat boost set dmg up.
i highly doubt if the rift cap got raised and you boosted everything to on par with the current sader set…you woulden’t likely see people do any 155s anytime soon or higher. the damage/hp gets beyond insane and without 10k paragon you honestly won’t see many reach 150…so idk seems maybe overall 2 options…
buff sets and maybe paragon growth for the first few thousand or up XP.
or buff sets leave as is.
or nerf everything and people will never get there again cause it takes way to much between needing godly rolls very few ever get. then paragon…then the right mobs and density then RNG on the guardian While having no insane mob packs that just rng one shot you…
i would hope you guys dont nerf the new sader set…the people geting 150 are non season which is well…look at the paragon 10k+ a majority players are not past 6k i would seriously leave it alone and buff the rest you guys have over a week…im sure everyone would be glad to hop on the PTR and test …D4 is coming so it only makes sense while upping rift levels as another way to stagger stuff .
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This. I am not looking forward to the hours of rat runs to stay competitive… The Vyrs really did give a new option to group farm; we set up a lot of different zchars to run with them - it was a lot of fun, we brough back the zDH for it which is incredibly powerful with the Vyrs, zbarb,zmonk combo 
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The very nature of most of the top builds in diablo 3 may not REQUIRE macros, but they do feel like they require 16 fingers mashing the keyboard incessantly, with the dexterity of a ferret on crack.
It would be nice to have a few builds compete at the top end that only required a few button pushes that didn’t need to be maintained every .4 seconds.
The Diablo 3 playstyle still feels like an old school Arcade game at its core.
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At last you are doing your job.
Crusader is ok, where it is now, and yes The game is in state where all classes must be capable to do solo 150.
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100% agreed…
Chantodo was ok, so was barb before the nerf pre-patch…
Let the LoN48 be playable for 150 - 4 men clears equaly with the sader as TK and BK.
Then throw next seasons, step by step, up the other classes as well.
It seems that this way to go is ideal for the majority of d3 players at this statement of the game. Why don’t they listen ? Feels like they break the game and unbalance it everytime something new comes up…
Almost makes wonder if they want people to stop playing this game at this point.
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Dear Nevalistis, Thank You for sharing this info with us. I hope that Barbarian Class will end up in better shape damagewise after this small balance patch.
Problem here is, the whole community currently is trying to beg “for atleast 100%” and pretty much getting stuck at begging for half the amount it actually should be granting. Also, as you said yourself: It actually has to be [150%ish to] 200%ish.
The less the Lamentation bonus gonna be, the less Rend damage it gonna be compared to possible Whirlwind damage = the more we gain from possible Whirlwind damage.
What really makes the strength of Rend damage so enjoyable (compared to Whirlwind and its lil’ Busted Neville tornadoes) is, that WhirlRend auto-applies constantly Rends, thus these not being able to proc area.
The damage is as in Chantodo wizards given by the general basic power of this spec.
It does not require insane density to even just deal enough damage to be able to deal with a timer without even considering any other factors of relevance regarding clearing at all. (Ofc, density still means applying that damage onto more targets at the same time but that would be more or less linear scaling with density, not exponential scaling like area damage simply is providing).
The less they re-apply to Lamentation, the more relative amount of overall damage we still could gain by Whirlwind itself, therefore having to apply area damage and all again, resulting in… lags. Character killing lags. Game killing lags. Fun killing lags.
We shouldn’t ask for less than what we actually need.
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We don’t need anything really. We are doing fine playing zbarb for the past 18 seasons. Let the others enjoy. i repeat, let them enjoy and do not nerf them. See yall s20.
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that mean bazooka will stay as is?
then this is ridiculous the game will be only with players where have very low ping in game
the game will dead
Nerf perma or leave it as 2.6.6
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All very real points. They destroy barbarians patch after patch. The game invite bugs are really annoying and I miss recent players too
We? Dont talk for me. I dont want barbarians only as support class.
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Well, that’s more or less Blizzards own fault, because every PTR I’ve followed, anything that stood out, and often stood out not even that much, usually got nerfed into oblivion. So people approach the PTR with the mindset that is something is fun/works that they shouldn’t push it to the max in fear of it getting nerfed. You reap what you sow I’d say.
I feel extension of Grift levels coming on. I sure hope to god that they manage to kill this kind of powercreep in P4.
To be honest. Bazooka nerf should be top of the list.
Im worried that the balance patch will nerf crusader to the ground.
Yes currently crusader is topping the board. But that`s also because everyone wants to try it and people have thousands of paragon.
Please see this in perspective. AoV may need a small tweak but a substanial nerf will kill it.
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We, as in I you and the rest of the barbs. The truth is. They cant live without us. The only meta we got is zbarb.
Incase you havent notice i was #1 Whirlwind barb on Season 17 NA servers holding position #196. Just so you don’t think im with saders.
The point he was making is that most people hate playing zbarb, so a DPS barb role will be a welcomed addition…
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That would be perfect. I really loved meteor shower build and getting dmg stacks along with taeguk stacks seems nice idea. The more you channel, the more you deal damage. Than devs can balance its final output by capping stacks, or leave it uncapped but with smaller gain per stack.