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Sounds like you are just clueless and have no idea how to trade. Trading literally makes D2 so fun and I pray to God they see through all the low iq players like you who ruined trading in D3 and allow us trading in D4. If not its going to die like D3 did long ago.
There’s a world and I guess WoW kind of captured this a bit in Classic where some items are BoP and others are BoE. I think diablo needs to be like 85-90% BoE but having some high quality end game items be only acquired through doing the hardest content but is only bound to your account. Maybe. But you oculd like trade to open portals so basically trading keys in Diablo 2 or buying them. Honeslty the more stuff they can add that adds economy increases trading and peoples reasons to continue to play the game.
If you want some boring story mode bs go play any of the hundreds of video games out there that already have that. Giving the game an economy actually gives the game life and replay value.
Probably because its been a terrible game for its entire existence. I used to defend D3 but honeslty… D2R great reminder of how wrong the game really went.
Also like wtf does the rest even mean lol? D3 forum for years is post after post about when does season start? When does it end? Then complaining about season theme. And to top it off complain about no solo leaderboards. Same crap for like 5 years when I would read it on and off like clockwork.
I just want to say thank you. It saddens me to have to read so far down to see a common sense reply.
It saddens me as OP and all the other low iq players responding is the people Blizz (well Activision these days) listens to. No doubt D4 going to be trash. Sadly I’m too dumb to not buy it but no doubt it my mind it going to be trash. And with Activision you know there’s going to be a whole lot of cosmetic bs to buy that they going to force trying to sell.
Sigh. Its crazy to see how amazing D2 was and hten what D3 vanilla was lol. They literally put the same items in the game with same names but just terrible afflixes. I mean they were impossible to get anyways but still even today so many amazing D2 items just complete trash makes you wonder why they even in the game. Also… can’t believe it took them years to add the damn Kanai cube.
Praying common sense takes place with D4 devs but sadly probably just be a cater to the casuals get all your loot for free and be done after 24-48 hours. But there will be some seasons or whatever where if you keep playing you unlock more cosmetic rewards or some crap lol.
Lol. As if that doesn’t happen with trade already. At least you have play D3 to earn your loot.
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Right when this thread was finally about to die, we gotta have the stereotypical D2 superfan who’s always full of anger and hostility show up to give his own hot takes. Things that don’t refute any of my points but have been said a thousand times over.
D2 doesn’t have “life”. It’s been pretty much all bots playing the game for many years now. D2R will end up the same way quicker than you think.
Not everybody wants to play economy tycoon.
Please find something else to do while you’re waiting in your queues for those bots to finish up.
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You really want to bring up bots on a D3 board? LIke really??? LOL. At least D2 bots can’t give the player paragon levels (ouch burn).
Your second paragraph makes beyond zero sense? You say trading takes away form the game but in reality its a core part of the game. D2 literally gives you the incentive to farm for loot (just like D3) but now you can trade gear or runes with that you don’t need with someone who needs it and in return get the piece you want. Keep in mind you don’t get every time you need/want given to you in a a season journey (lmfao) or in the first 24 hours of playing… I know… so sad right.
I never said D3s auction house was good. D2 has great trading then dummies took over and ruined like every aspect of the game. You can’ just single out their poor implementation and pretend like the rest of the game wasn’t beyond trash too.
Your entire post is basically “D3 had bad trading” which literally everyone knows even Blizzard and your using that as an example as to why D4 shouldn’t.
Also I have played hundreds of hours of D3 and used to like it until D2R reminded me how much better D2 really was. So don’t label me as some D2 crazed fan… I just speaking facts.
Free unlimited trade has more cons than pros, however carefully managed trade can get the best out of both worlds
I don’t like the Devs initial approach of “some items tradeable, some tradeable once, some not tradeable”, as they need to limit the velocity and relevance of trade (not elitise it)
That being said - limiting the trade to 1 piece for 1, item type for item type (weapon for weapon, armor for armor, jewelry/socket for jewelry/socket) would do it… As long as there’s that one extra limitation of trade tokens (i.e. each trade has to have a token inserted so that the trade can complete)
That way you won’t see some people trade like 500 items whilst other barely trade 1. The non-asynchronousity of the trade types (weapon for armor or jewelry e.t.c.) will also balance things out and HOPEFULLY the trade tokens can do both - limit those that trade too much and encourage those that don’t 
Trading allows and incentivize players to do the content they enjoy, more then not having trade at all.
Lets say theres a boss that requires 4 keys to access. Some people enjoy doing the boss but hate getting the keys and others prefer farming the keys rather than bossing. With trading this allows both of those groups to do what they enjoy as they will trade the keys between each other.
Farm enough keys that you sell and you can save up enough “money” to buy the item you want from the boss that you sold the keys for.
This type of an economy is ARPG to me.
Remove trading and this cant happen and you force both those groups to do things they dont want to do leading to them quitting way sooner.
All of this is OPTIONAL as well. If you dont want to partake in trading then dont, you go farm everything yourself and have fun doing it your way.
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Or you force them to learn to play. Which is a good thing tbh.
This is like reading defenders of RMT; as if skipping the game makes the game better.
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Force them to learn to play is not the same thing as doing what they enjoy.
In this scenario typically the person doing the bosses would get the better results/profits. But hey the guy doing the “hard” work getting the keys are rewarded even if the person cant or dont enjoy doing the bosses themselves.
So im assuming you think a person farming keys should not be a viable option to play the game?
I guess thats where we disagree. And for the record i put myself in the key farm category. Not that i hate doing bosses, i can do both. But in PoE for example i typically sell my boss keys/fragments rather than run them. i’m more of a mapper.
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The same can be said for D3. Check the boards some time. D3 has more than its fair share of automated players, and so will D4. Trading or no trading, bots are going to be there. This has been proven over and again.
Intresting…
Your answer looks like that dude, who Said: “from which catalog you want them”.
Also targetted farm 
Would much rather have it randomised, but with some sense of progression. Say level/area masteries for ex. play the same level but with added room/survival challenges in it or new/added areas opened (similar to Doom-Eternal’s mastery of level). And to prevent boss farming each time a mastery is completed they become stronger and stronger
I mean I guess keyed dungeons is also fine, but the keys should drop from elites semi-rarely on the map (and in dungeons) rather than from a boss
If we ignore for a moment that I don’t think we should need to farm keys at all (why should we?), then it should be possible to make a build that was good at farming keys. At the cost of being less good at other stuff.
But it should be keys for yourself.
Simple solution here seems to be to just have a wide variety of equally rewarding endgame activities.
So if you don’t like boss farming you can do something else instead.
No trading needed for that.
Yes. Should not be something you can farm specifically.
Also, have a low cap on them, like you can max hold 5-10 keys at a time. So to find more you need to use them.
And honestly, make them bound to your character, not your account.
If your meteor sorc gets a Fire Dungeon of Doom it should be your meteor sorcery that attempts to do it. Instead of just giving it to your Frozen orb sorc.
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If people wanna do dungeons they will farm keys
I want localized P2P trade and area specific resources!
Should be character bound yes. Limited amount you can hold? Not so much. If I only have a limited amount if time and want to spend the whole day running keyed dungeons back to back after weeks of farming keys I should be able to.
If you concern for limiting keys is gaining loot for trade, just put a limit on trades. I know you don’t want any trading, as do I, but putting a limit on how many keys you can have and making them rare is just restricting how I play.
As for needing it not needing to farm them, would you rather just have a menue where you can select the dungeon modifiers before entering? I like the idea of keys being random and a reward for playing the game in all various forms if the keep it how they initially mentioned.
I do believe they mentioned the keys can come from anywhere. Hopefully they don’t lock them behind dungeon bosses like WoW does with their keys.
You are correct.
The main difference is that the D3 bots don’t really affect me at all. Those bots are farming paragon for the cheaterboards. That is something I will never come close to getting on. I think if you look at my profile, where my non season paragon isn’t even close to what people get a few weeks into a season proves that. All you really get with the cheaterboards is your name on a list. If blizzard ever gave any other rewards beyond just your name on a list, then it becomes a much bigger deal than it is. That’s not to say that it isn’t a problem for people who do legitimately want to compete for leaderboard spots however.
When you have a game where the economy is the only means of reasonable progression and you are basically forced to participate or else you’re severely held back, that sucks. And now the bots and the cheating and the scamming and everything else that comes with it do effect my game and hold back my progression. Blizzard can swear all they want that vanilla D3 drops weren’t tied to the economy but nobody believes it. I won’t ever buy a game like that again.
And I’m not saying D3 is this perfect game either. I don’t want D4 to be D3.5. I won’t rage and troll for years and years like the D2 superfans did when D3 wasn’t D2.5. I will say that D3 is more fun than D2 ever was, however.
We’ll see whatever D4 ends up becoming, but I know I won’t be rushing to preorder or buy it immediately, given how all these other launches have been going. Who knows, maybe they get it together and have a smooth launch and a fun game. One thing we do know however, is that the hostile D2 superfans will hate it and never be happy with it no matter what… and they’ll let everyone know about it for years. That’s a spoiler 
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