I feel you. As a D2 player I’ve never been trading, but I had a lot of fun sharing the loot from our last runs with my sister.
Now I’m not sure how it can be implemented in a modern ARPG without hurting other systems badly. The only way I can think of is by creating some kind of private trading group between a few players that would forbid access to the global market and last at least a month, to prevent abuses.
At the very least I hope there will still be the RoS feature of free exchange inside party for 2 hours.
YES.
People that want Diablo to be a competitive game are barking up the wrong tree. Because this is the only valid argument I can find in wanting any trading (and not just free trading) out of the game, being . But as long as the player can progress with her/his own loot there is simply no problem at all, no matter what others may get to by trading.
Again, competition has no place in Diablo, except as a very peripheral feature for those who still want some no matter what. Same as PvP.
What community? The botting community? The scam community?
I don’t think you got what I was saying. When it’s basically the only way, then it’s a problem. The economy becomes more important than the actual game. That’s how it was with vanilla D3 and it sucked.
Let me try giving you a boomer car analogy: when your game progression just playing the game vs playing the economy is like walking a hundred miles vs driving, it sucks. Yeah people can make that walk eventually, but why bother.
As much as I want trading completely gone, sharing within a party should certainly remain.
I am against D3s extreme imbalance toward group play in general, power/speed should be equal between all group sizes and solo. But group play having the ability to share gear is a good and reasonable benefit for multiplayer.
And it encourages much more “community” and social interaction than trading could ever hope to do.
I don’t even see that as trading. D3 has a drop system were each item is locked to a specific person (and honestly, that style of personal loot should go away in D4, PoE handles it better imo). Sharing for 2 hours is basically just a roundabout way to allow for what FFA loot in other A-RPGs offers.
The one that trades, just because those things exist doesn’t invalidate what is there. There are trade sites and discords dedicated to them, with actual people who are actually playing. Crazy I know.
While Blizzard like to deny this, it was very clear that the game drop mechanics were heavily designed to encourage using the AH in D3. That isn’t a trading issue, it’s a Blizzard issue. I’m not going to make the mistake of thinking D4 will be good, Blizzard is a joke so expect a joke game. Ignoring that D2 is perfectly playable from start to finish without trading with the exception of SoJ farming which was their answer to duping.
I’ll give you some tips, if you don’t like trading, don’t do it. Proper trading systems are scam proof. If you can’t be bothered to double check the item they have placed in the box to trade then you deserve what you get.
Try Grim Dawn or something, it’s single player and is very easy, don’t even have to socialize. It’s idiot proof too, can’t be scammed. Good luck!
It is a trading issue. You cant separate cause and effect. PoE is the same.
Exactly. We know Blizzard can’t handle trading. So don’t have trading in the game. Simple.
I am not against trading in all games ever. But it definitely should not be in Diablo 4 (or any A-RPGs really).
I’ve never traded in POE. Maybe these type of games aren’t for you guys? They tend to be grindy. You seem to want instant gratification. Blizzard has WoW for that, give it a try.
Again, you don’t even read what I’m saying. When it’s the only reasonable way to have progression, then “just don’t do it” is stupid. And having to figure out the value of things so you don’t get scammed isn’t fun either. I just want to play a game. I think you just want to troll.
At least we agree here. Especially with all the internal problems going on there. They are going to MTX and p2w that game to death. Anyone who pre orders that game or buys it on release, especially after seeing how Warcraft reforged went and D2R is going now is nuts.
Not everything. Only the stuff that hurts the game experience. Such as trading.
Plenty other things too, but this topic happens to be about trading. But Blizzard sure added a lot of stuff in D3 that made it a worse game. Burn it with fire.
That works for me. But it doesn’t help those who might be inclined to trade.
Both I, and Blizzard, should care about delivering a good game experience. That is literally Blizzards job. Protect players from themselves.
D2 has been alive and well for over 20 years, constant play, DAILY. D3 lives about a week once every 3-4 months. You don’t know what you’re talking about, which makes you a perfect fit to work at Blizzard. Blizzard hire this man.
Lol, they are sadly both like that. The few thousand people playing those games dont change that.
Doesn’t mean the game experience isn’t diminished. Only that people play regardless. Mediocre beats bad after all. But we should aim higher than mediocrity.
Last message, I’m tired of talking to you idiots. Trading is nothing more than a route. Its inclusion changes nothing for you if you don’t plan to use it. Trade is item for item in most cases, so the item is earned, you both walk away with something you want. This isn’t bought power, this is you farming something, getting something of value for somebody else and trading them the item you have for something you want. There are thousands of hobbies that work like this. We’re talking about a video game, you loser, people are trading pixels for pixels. That does not in any way devalue your experience. If you don’t like it. Don’t. do. it.
Yes, an easy mode route. Which does not belong in Diablo.
Do you also want Blizzard to hold your hand while fighting monsters? A toggle to remove monster dmg?
