Lmao. Why don’t you try clearing a 115-120+ GR just using 2 skills with the GoD build. I wonder how far will you get
Just because there’s lots of DH GoD BOTS running arround bounties or even rifts, doesn’t mean you only use 2 skills…
Sorry, but not everyone uses macros to help himself, some people actually play the game without any “helpers” and what do you know, you don’t even play this build at all just do what many other players do and just run in META groups as a ZDPS barb abusing the season theme for “easy 150 rank legendary gems”, cause it’s way too hard to actually play a damage dealing build right?
I cleared a 136 GR using one mouse key. See how it’s easy to say anything you want on forums without any prove?
You probably could do it like you said using a macro, but some people play the game legit without any macros or THUD or any other BS…
I would like to see how you can clear even a 130 GR using ONE mouse key and ONE on keyboard if you need to use strafe and hungerring arrow almost all the time and I highly doubt you can clear any GR without Vengeance or Smoke Screen, so what you said is just a blatant lie or you just trolling…
Aha…so i am a macro using cheater ? You know what people say about assumptions. You often make a fool out of yourself when you make them.
Maybe this is completly new to you , but even with out a macro, or an addon or ANYTHING, you can just autocast Vengence, Smokescreen, Bladed Armor and whatever with the integrated NUMLOCK function of your PC.
This is completly legit. So the only thing you really have to press is Hungering Arrow, hold your left mousebutton pressed, and use the right mousebutton once in a while for whatever skill you have bound to it.
Also you can just look up my 134 clear…its in the leaderboard somewhere. Why should i lie about it
I was talking about baseline performance that would keep raising till the time when a collection of legendaries (no set items at all think of the Thrill) could easily handle a GR150 at paragon 5,000. It could even reach the point where a Thrill build without Legacy of Dreams could do just that as well.
A nerf bandwagon comes along for a variety of reasons. Some want it because they feel it will put them ahead of the other build, even though there is no need for a nerf.
But there are cases where nerfs are needed or you will have infinite power creep that will skyrocket damage to the 100,000 multipliers on gear.
Blizz is probably talking about a baseline performance of GR130 at 5,000 paragon with little to no fishing. There have been players that have actually cleared that GR with builds that can accomplish with paragon levels far under that baseline.
I have no doubt that there is a way for a solo player to play the most efficient way possible.
Then explain how we as players started out in D3 when the expansion and GRs were added went from IIRC clearing GR50s years ago to clearing almost 100 more GR levels on top of that if it isn’t power creep.
The problem of it is that the one build shouldn’t be so strong that no one else would ever want to play anything else.
There is more to playing a build than you and others think. It does take some skill in order to get the most out of any given build.
Indeed. It is important to understand that bringing actual balance requires both buffs and nerfs. Without nerfs things end up where D3 is now, ridiculousness.
If you set a target power level for all builds and one or two builds are way above that level, you don’t fix that by buffing everything else, you fix it by nerfing those overpowered outliers.
When GRs were introduced, I remember the highest solo clears were around GR40 and those were done using those autofiring Lazy Marauders. I don’t remember group clears, likely not that much higher.
So yeah, going from GR40s using zero effort builds to clearing GR150s with proper builds, that is some serious power creep over the years.
Well, some builds are meant to be above the rest. It is in the nature of these games, right? I think it is both very hard as a developer to program 50-60 builds to have equal power and boring to have a flat line where everything is the same. So I am ok with some builds being good , some being mediocre, some being bad , some being extremely strong. For me balance, in a game like d3, would be not to have something that is super tanky, deals tremendous damage, is lighting fast, is best at pushing, is easy to play, is best at bounties, is best at speed farms, cause that would indeed make the other sets and builds meaningless. But if it is fun to play, and happens to be a tad overpowered i am not gonna complain
Well, I didn’t mean everything has to be exactly at the same power level. However if you set a target power level and some builds are way above that, you nerf them. You do not buff everything else. Likewise if some builds are way below that target, then you buff those.
It’s fine to have some performance variation between builds based on playstyle and the difficulty of those playstyles, etc. But they still should roughly match the set power level. You nerf and buff builds until you reach some semblance of balance at the target level.
You are missing an important point, while it would be boring for builds to be exactly (100%) the same. That is not what they were saying. IIRC if there is a small GR gap between the builds then no changes need to be made. IIRC that was anything at 5 or lower GR levels. That would mean that if WW barb would be able to do a GR132 at 5k paragon and a UE Multishot DH could do a GR129 at 5k paragon then there wouldn’t need to be any changes to those builds.
I don’t think they are talking about all viable builds being a jack of all trades either. Now that baseline performance is for pushing builds as I understand it. I highly doubt that a solo player would be doing speedy GR130s with ease. That is unless the seasonal theme gives them such insane power to accomplish just that.
Yeah I agree with the power creep but it was unavoidable at some extent. Cause if you introduce something new, a build, a set, some items, you kinda wanna make them strong to attract people to play them. But I agree with your logic. I know that for the whole picture it doesn’t feel smooth to have something way above the rest, but I am not too bothered by it, to be honest. Like, for example, a few builds or classes that I consider my favorite and they are pretty crappy for the last 10 (?) seasons, I wouldn’t mind seeing them eclipsing the other builds just for a season… They shouldn’t be bad in the first place sure, but since they shuffle the deck every now and then I think we are going to see these things happen in future seasons.
Yeah I know, but isn’t that thing happening? I was not talking about a specific build but dh is a good example. Before, we had some kind of variety, a good solo killer, a good fast farming build, a good pushing build, a tanky build, and they were all different setups. Now we have one that does everything these sets do, only better and faster. That’s what I meant. And almost all the classes follow the same pattern, you have something that does everything better than the rest of what that class offers. I am not saying I am going to cry obviously cause that is more efficient for me as a player. With the same effort as before I can add +10 rift level to my content and farm faster so there’s that. And even though not a dh player it’s nice to see them dominating after so long. Maybe it is also lazier on their behalf I don’t know. To make everything +/- 5 GRs sounds like a lot of work in a game that is basically in maintenance mode. You basically need to rework every set in the game cause there are many bad and many strong builds.
No, not right. I 've played dh this season but deleted it. But I play wd, necro and sup barb atm. I don’t play dh anymore because it is not fun for me. I can agree that for some people (even most people) it may appeal and they might enjoy GoD dh but I personally like more active gameplay.
Playing sup barb in 140+ is one of the most engaging gameplay and requires very good skills btw both in season and non-season.
Like I said before I don’t use any helpers including NUMLOCK tricks.
Try reaching 130-135 GR without it and than show off how PRO you are
I already mentioned whether in this or other thread that with my items and paragon many players might SOLO 130 or even 135 GR (I only did 123 GR), so just because unlike you I don’t use any “helpers” aka numlock tricks or whatever and am not obsessed with reaching any spot on the leaderboards to show how amazing I am fishing for the perfect GR doesn’t mean I’m making a fool of myself.
Big deal you got on the leaderboards using a NUMLOCK trick, you’re so PRO.
I got on leaderboards with my Wizard 366 place right now yet I didn’t use any autocast tricks to achieve it…
I do not get you Gasnick man. I never stated to be a pro to begin with. What even is a “pro” in diablo 3, a game that is clearly based on grinding or spending a lot of keys…or on rng and thousand other things. I have 0 “aaaaws” for people like raxx and wudjos or whatsoever. If i want to see a pro…i google rodney mullen or danny mc askill and watch some real passion…
The only “e-sport pros” i can take halfway seriously are the ones from starcraft/starcraft 2 where you really have to think and act fast.
I cant look up to a raxxanterax who pauses the game if he sees a conduit pylon and…is hoping for a snowball to get stuck between 2 doorframes xD
I just said DH is pretty easy to play. And here i still do think like that…so i dont see the point of this whole discussion.
Also thats not a “trick” its a function integrated in the ui…so i do not see your point here either. You have a char like dh…that has abilities that need to be casted on cooldown as soon as they are ready…so i will just autocast them. The other sentence i wrote because due to your assumptions i must have been using macros or other “cheats”. and in my opinion using given game-features is not considered cheating. And there we just have 2 different opinions, end of story.
My wizz (hydra build) does not have any of those. And im also on the wizz-leaderboard , place 150ish or so. Not much competition there as not many play wizz s21 since other classes clearly did get some more attention from blizzard in the past.
Also i think the whole god damn thread was completly unneccesary since months have passed since some people asked for DH nerfs.
Blizz buffs DH —> Funpolice enteres the forum and asks for nerfs —> People stop asking for nerfs --> Topic is forgotten —> some people try to revive it in whatever form.
Numloc just holds a button down, that is all it does. It is not a macro or cheating in any way. It is a quality of life feature that pretty much all keyboards have. It doesn’t take any skill to hold a button down, it just makes your finger tired.
what kind of “trick”? if hands grow out from the butt of a coder, then he will call every bug, exploit etc. “hidden feature” or “trick”. like in kindergarten! if this continues, we will only have people with the intellect of a donkey on the planet.
and yes, almost everyone plays with macros. i also have corsair keyboard and logitech mouse. whether that’s okay? of course not! such nonsense doesn’t need a good game. even in overwatch they managed it and skills are only used when they are actually needed and not like a mindless bot every 1-5 seconds for no reason and whatever. how GOD DH plays with macro? you can see that in almost every video on youtube: they activate the macro and can move the mouse with their foot. and i can understand people too, because all my fingers have hurt and i haven’t played DH for a long time. In addition, I was constantly kicked out of groups because my DH was supposedly too slow and barb doesn’t have the stupid skills that you have to press every few seconds like a disabled person for no reason.
instead of nerfing a good wd set from s20, they have long since reached their lowest point. maybe because wd could be played for hours without macros / numlock bugs? when new patch notes are reased we have everything to laugh about.
in august i almost always played with 3k para people. almost every day there was someone who writes “cookies” or “cks” in chat, leaves the game and invites others to his bounty bot game. I even had to empty the blocklist so that they all fit on there. because i don’t waste my time with reports. even after banwave in august, i saw most cheaters at night with “dnd” status in lvl 100 grifts with necros.
will it get better? certainly not. then you have to change a lot and actually add new content like new legendaries and new skills / monsters every few months. because who is playing the game in NS? it’s more pointless than pointless.
you have very cool suggestions in other posts. nothing is implemented … the reason is so obvious.
