Hit Recovery Removed - D4

not watching bc i see “op endgame build vs a d2 boss”
Same as above

Find videos of the game before this stage when you dont have solved skills, endgame gear, and a pathetic d2 boss fight to go up against it.

Like for example when you play the game up until this point, that’s the ‘game’. Also, show a caster teleporting into actually dangerous mob packs (the like 2-3 in the game) if you are going to show an endgame build being threatened. Yes D2 did very bad at threatening death on endgame builds, think of how shallow the game would be without hard immunities thank god those are there to force area hunting at least. Most ppl don’t see this the gear far outweighs the content but immunities are a hard check to funnel things down a bit.

Also you could pull a D3 endgame content and show a op d3 build dodging elite affixes and 1 shots and compare that to this video. Which one’s better? Its not D2, or D3, both endgames are trash gameplay combat wise.

The endagme in D2 that isn’t trash is non boss farming, bc mob packs have hit stun and there’s many of them unlike 1 boss, so you are more threatened say by baals minion wave than baal.

Make sense buddy?
D3 is about dodging affixes and 1 shots its awful (endgame) in groups too (even more awful since its endgame so you have to be meta) D2 isnt about boss farming its about mob pack farming that can sometimes (too few do) threaten an endgame build. D2 is about not endagme farming too, unlike D3, so that’s where the bulk of the gameplay is in D2 leveling up chars and not just playing an endgame build for years unless you are hunting every item in the game for a stream for views for content.

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You should because it is low level almost-naked werewolf vs normal Duriel. :sunglasses:

First video says ww druid so that implies endgame, you are trying to downplay that title, sorry, sniffed out.

2nd video is ‘endgame build’ vs a few bosses.

How about not boss content like i explained and not endgame builds.
U really are trying hard to disregard what i ask for and repeatedly post not what im describing as good d2 combat.

You aren’t worth the time spent on here anymore so, go ahead have the last words say whatever post whatever other off topic content pitched as on topic.

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He should post videos of all the popular end game class builds (excluding paladin smite) how they manage solo against Ubers at uber Tristram and Lilith at Matrons Den.

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Love this argument: “D2 has good combat, unless you have good equipment, a good build, and are fighting endgame bosses”.

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Especially for a game that your purpose is to hunt good gear, wear it and kill more monsters. :sunglasses:

1:40 til rest of the video

Its not D2, or D3, both endgames are trash gameplay combat wise.

Exactly. Absolutely ALL aprgs that exist has terrible trash-boring-unchallenging endgame gameplay in all those areas where you feel overpowered. For this reason there must always be some places where this is not the case and that will be very rewarding for you as a player. On the other hand, those easy places should not be effective for farm anymore. Like, if you want overpowered trash gameplay (just to relax), you can do this, and you will get some reward. But it shouldn’t be even comparable to that reward that hard area gives. I don’t see any other possible way to rectify the situation.

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Só is your video supposed to prove anything?

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Yeah, it proved Thorodans post if you had read his argumentation and watched the video instead of just throwing words without meaning like you are doing at it again, or rather said like you always do because you are always in denial when it comes to d2.

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So nothing. As usual.

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The opposite actually, without your empty words.

Sure buddy. I point out the flawed logic being used to defend D2’s gameplay (and this kind of argument would be silly for ANY game) and you respond with a random D2 video and expect me to make your arguments for you.

Explain how saying “X game’s gameplay is good unless you know how to play, have good gear and are fighting bosses” makes any sense for games that use gear and have bosses.

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Its the same with your buddys Kilometer videos where he posts random videos defending his claims and fighting easy packs because hes in same denial as you and ignores the real hard fights the game has to offer.

Im defending Thorodans post with his argumentation, mechanic wise in this video but then you are like “so is this proving anything, derp?” like a total newb to d2.
Zero argumentations regarding mechanics or what i just proved, just throwing words without any meaning.
I bet you didnt even read the guy on the videos messages regarding mechanics and monster modifiers.

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All this good combat talk wet all the videos I see are just guys standing still hacking away, then running away if necessary, then going back to standing still and hacking away. Very good and compelling combat indeed.

But you’re not proving anything when your argument relies on having bad gear, a bad build and ignoring a major part of the game.

Then you toss in a video and expect people to make your argument for you.

Lol, the game is good until you accomplish your goals of getting a good build and good loot. What an argument right?

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The more I read this thread the more I’m convinced half the people arguing about how necessary hit recovery is don’t actually know how hit recovery works.

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I have to agree on this. For now There is almost 0 CC you can get from monsters in D3… but let’s start from the beginning. My first ARPG/H&S game was D2 and back then i was slowly moving forward but even then i got myself surrounded by enemies (2-3 monsters was enough to get perma stun). I was a noob back then and i did not know how faster hit recovery worked.

My next game was D3 and let me tell you D3 Vanilla was very similar to D2 meaning you could get yourself perma stun if surrounded by enemies, currently in D3 that is not the case anymore. All you have to do is max out Cooldown reduction and get some anti-cc skill.

Yeah i see that D4 goes more in D3 direction + some new mechanics. QUESTION!
Why wont devs just communicate MORE with us - surveys(like in WoW Classic about upcoming Burning Crusade expansion), live Q&A, Forums, Youtube…

One last thing. Do YOU ALL remember D2 ALPHA/BETA testing? No because there wasn’t one because Blizzard knew what to do and now? They always need testing testing testing. It feels like they are making their game with eyes closed and i don’t trust Them. LET US PUT SOME WORK IN Diablo IV just listen to us WTF!?

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