Fir example: Do Followers benefit from Stone gauntlets bracers and Illusory boot?
The Stone Gauntlets + Ice Climbers (to negate the SG debuffs) combo is nice for LOD push builds on player but the gauntlets not really useful on a follower. At endgame, youāll probably have a āYour follower cannot dieā relic/token/focus slotted so any kind of purely defensive gear like Stone Gauntlets shouldnāt be needed on follower. Rare cases where you have Barb builds w/ buff insanity you can get away with your follower surviving w/o ācanāt dieā but thatās just a really niche case.
If you donāt have ācanāt dieā token drop early you can get one easily by just crafting lvl70 rares at bsmith and upgrading to legs until you get one - cost is meh. Otherwise youāre at mercy of RNJesus and could be a while for one to drop.
With illusory boots, especially for T16 farming, Cainās set boots will probably be BIS for the 25% chance at getting extra GR keystone that emanates from Cainās set. For push, Ice climbers seem pretty decent to avoid CC but lots of options there.
Off the top of my head, with S23 the big hitters with Emanate I used in PTR were:
FoT - BIS
Nems - BIS
Homing Pads - BIS - thereās a way to get the 65% DR consistently by just tap-alternating TP - working that into your rotation - donāt know if theyāve fixed that yet.
Cainās - for extra GR keys emanate
Gloves of Worship - 10m shrine effects emanate
The big hitters that are NON-emanate:
Oculus - still BIS for dps.
Unity - still solid for DR and certain builds.
RORG - to get sages + cains etc
Thunderfury/wyrdward combo still works well for CC.
Also looks like Ess and OD amulets wonāt see GR play because FoT is just too good. Unless your build slots FoT as amulet then follower could have something like Ess.
Avarice and Goldskin emanates are nice for T16 farm.
One other thing was that CDR on follower was wonky - Iām not sure if thatās been fully addressed. So before you pile on CDR, might be worth checking to make sure follower is getting full benefits. AS was working as usual though.
There was also a Templar bug where the follower occasionally stopped moving if his cheat death procād - didnāt happen all the time but fairly often. Iād imagine theyāve fixed that by now.
Sageās emanate for DBās also nice farm change.
Lots of cool options for helm (if youāre not slotting Sage Helm for T16 ):
Leorics w/ diamond for more CDR to proc follower skills more often.
Broken crown if youāre low on gems.
Blind Faith [20.0 - 40.0]% Chance to Blind on Hit (works well - tested and confirmed)
Lots of other options.
Not comprehensive but covers much of it:
https://maxroll.gg/news/ptr-2-7-0-preview-2#Follower-Items-and-Emanation
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Note that this is valid only for Templar. CDR does not work for Enchantress and Scoundrel.
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Note that this is valid only for gear. CDR works on the useless 50% CDR token.
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Useless? What testing have you done to show that itās useless?
It is useless cause without the cannot die relic there is no chance they will survive. And if they are dead you are getting no benefits from their skills / items. Imagine yourself playing without any set dmg reduction or items that proc dmg reduction with skills like band of might with chargeā¦ And pretty much every combination of items, buffs, gems and on top of that casually walking inside all affixes like molten or frozen. You are instantly dead. Any other relic apart from the cannot die is useless 99% of the time.
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Survive what exactly?
There was a thread on PTR feedback, where we tested exactly this. It is entirely possible to make the follower survive with cannot die relic.
If you tested nothing, donāt come onto the forum and spread untruths.
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If you havenāt noticed there are 50 projectiles aimed at you and them per second, affixes on the floor like electricity poison fire explosions, enemies at melee range attacking them. They will not survive that. How hard is it to understand? Can you show us footage of your follower - letās say at gr 100 - that survives without the immortality token since you mastered the testing?
How hard is it to understand? Did you test anything?
I understand what I tested. It worked for the content I was testing on. But since youāre too lazy to look for yourself, let me link the forum thread here for you.
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Alright we are going to okay a zdps class for them to not die that sounds really fun.so how is it that everyone uses the immortality token then?
Are you trolling right now, or do you not understand dmktās intention?
The vid demonstrates follower toughness being useful up until a point. The OP here is asking about gearing options in 2.7 - what relic we use now is irrelevant to this topic.
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Op asked for gearing options and said stone gauntlets ice climbers which is referring to toughness. That is relative to the token which solves every toughness issue. Anyway, gearing is also the token right?
The post by Solo, assumes that any time anyone plays solo, they are pushing. This is an untruth.
For this reason it is valuable to understand that your follower can actually use something else besides the cannot die relic. Need more uptime on the heal from Templar? How about Scoundrel and the Crit Bomb? How about having all of the skills from the Enchantress available to your Character?
If you read the through the thread I linked, you will notice my post there. I believe I said to ignore Stone Gauntlets because they did not work.
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I never said that you said go for stone gauntlets. I assumed he asked for these specific items cause he had toughness in mind, why else would anyone ask for gauntlets + climbers. I am pretty sure in the future we are going to see the other two tokens come into play more often when they develop followers further. As it is right now i d rather make them unkillable and forget about it even when I speed.
That is of course, your decision.
More on topic howeverā¦
Aquila does not work, as your follower has no resource.
Similarly Captain Crimsonās damage reduction doesnāt work, because there is no resource to reduce.
Stone Gauntlets donāt work.
Legacy of Nightmares does not work.
Legacy of Dreams does not work.
Can use Esoteric/Mutilation Guard.
Can use Boots of Disregard.
Can use Leoricās Crown.
Can use Pauldronās of the Skeleton King.
Can use Chaingmail.
Can use Cord of the Sherma.
EXP gear does carry over to your character as it works on Live right now.
It is worth noting, that your follower doesnāt need more than 25k of its mainstat to get the maximum benefit from its skills. Building itās HP pool is helpful, as is Armor/All Resist. So you should be able to reach the 25k threshold with just Ancient pieces, and use perhaps 1 or 2 gems to cover any shortfall. Everything else should more than likely be dedicated to Armor if you are not using a Cannot Die relic.
Any gear I didnāt mention here, I didnāt test or am unsure of. Sankis, doesnāt show up on the stat sheet but the visual effect is there. This is how it works on a player character. Though I donāt find it as useful for the things I would need a follower for, so didnāt test it thoroughly.
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i didnāt know legendary gems worked on the follower, is this new and is it just the 2 you mentioned ?
Maxroll guys did a lot of testing and those are the only 2 they found that worked - esoteric alteration and mutilation guard. I donāt run them because I play hardcore season and use immortality token for added safety (I will rely on follower cheat death to gain extra passive).
Also, as stated earlier, 50% CDR token is useless imo - if you want to run non-immortality the All Skills is a better choice - more powerful w/ most builds. 7min 3sec into the vid for reference on some of this.
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Again, the OP is not asking for your opinion.
You do not know their intent. So trying to assert that one token is better than another is completely meaningless until you know more about the OPās build and situation.
If you are playing HC, a properly built Templar with CDR token is infinitely more superior. You have quite low gons, so Iām assuming you donāt go very far beyond GR100. At this level you donāt even need Augments, the follower can survive just fine with all Ancient piecesā¦ especially the Templar.
The same reasoning could be applied to the other Followers.
This statement is objectively false. I specifically mentioned T16 farm several times and pointed out some gear that would be useful for T16.
Follower builds will vary based on T16, GR speeds, GR push etc. It would actually be nice if followers had wardrobe synergy with the player wardrobe feature so we could change follower gear more efficiently. They have so many new slots.
And if we were being formal about all this weād have sections for each follower, and then have gearing specific to each mode I suppose. There really are so many nice options now depending on T16/GRspeeds/GRpush etc.
On using CDR token instead of immortality on a Hardcore char for GRs when your follower has the chance to die? Thatās a big ask. Not until I thoroughly test it myself, especially when Iām relying on followerās cheat death to gain extra passive.
In seasonal HC PTR, I was doing testing mainly between GR110 - GR130 to help FilthieRich with the āTemplar stops movingā bug. Looking at latest patch notes, they found the bug and fixed it so thatās good to see. At GR129 in PTR, on FB6, Templar was dying almost instantly w/o immortality token. Even if youāre correct, and well-known technical streamers are wrong, I would have had to waste time gearing follower with ancients to survive etc, something Iām not going to do in PTR.
As example, in a solo GR110 speed on FB6 like this one - templar is obviously fine here but what would he significantly add to the mix with CDR token vs immortality?:
https://streamable.com/w5eplg
He adds no offensive player buffs and his skills arenāt really needed in that scenario. Iām mostly after occ rings, nems procs, FoT buff etc etc. His skills arenāt improving speed clear times unlike both Scoundrel and Enchantress which can buff playerās DPS, CDR etc which DO improve clear times. They also have cheat death skill.
I was only running Templar to isolate bug. In season I will probably run Scoundrel for dps with these changes - most of the tier lists with this follower change are showing scoundrel at top for push, then enchantress and then templar. Wudi in particular is saying templar is kind of out of the mix now. But yeah sure, Templar is historically solid in HC but I think itās time to revisit that with each follower having a cheat death.