Forcing people to play your way

[Malpka-2585]

@Lumpus-1803

False. The ploot being asked for here requires proximity and participation to qualify for a loot allocation roll. You do not get something simply because you were near the mob when it dies like you do in FFA loot.

It is nice that you started your post with “False.”

@Shadout-2849

/roll 1-X, where X is players nearby (for example within XP range).

With participation argument we go back to beginning:

@Malpka-2585

Actually most common factor in ploot arguments is proximity (undefined) and define help pls. Does Necro Amping helps? does game now it while allocating loot? or is he better spamming Bone Spear and Teeth to tag as many mobs as he can?

@Lumpus-1803

Isn’t getting loot and exp the goal of all players?

Yes it is I am arguing against option which is superior to any other option.

@Lumpus-1803

No one has tried to explain. They just keep saying “it’s been explained before”… when it hasn’t.

Purists are fine writing “If you don’t like it, go back to D3” over and over but seem to have a problem retyping viable justifications on why a ploot toggle is a bad thing.

Never wrote anything like that, however if you go through all the ploot threads you will find plenty explanations.

@Lumpus-1803

A mutual agreement requires everyone to agree with what you say are the rules. Ploot removes the need to hope everyone plays in accordance to your rules.

So basically it removes “multi” from multiplayer.

@Lumpus-1803

Did you give an actual justification on why a ploot toggle is bad? If you did, I didn’t see one.

This have no reference whatsoever to the quoted part. Anyway yes I did. Ploot toggle creates game mode which have same exp as currently best exp mode, but with guaranteed drops. Next time when you ask the same question I will just ask you to read all the posts again.

@Lumpus-1803

This argument makes no sense. If the same loot drops in FFA as it does in ploot, the result will be the same in terms of drops vs players eligible to receive those drops.

If my argument has no sense then what you stating is correct then ploot have no purpose in the game.

@Lumpus-1803

We are having a discussion regarding 2 options. You want to remove one of those options from the equation.

This is you being purposefully obtuse.

No we dont, we have discussion about implementing a change or not. The option you mentioning is not in the equation right now. Your statement would be only correct if Blizzard implemented ploot option and I asked them to remove it.

@Lumpus-1803

I think it’s important to know that not everyone that wants a ploot toggle implemented want it for themselves like many of you try to claim.

It is actually irrelevant, if you want the change then reasons why you want it,
dont change the fact that you want it in any way.

@Lumpus-1803

If your argument is “ploot will result in [insert hyperbole here]” then it isn’t an argument. If your argument consists of bad math, then it isn’t an argument.

If the change is something that you can completely opt out of and you can’t form a legitimate argument against, you shouldn’t care.

You clearly have no idea what my argument was.

@Lumpus-1803

If your argument is “ploot will result in [insert hyperbole here]” then it isn’t an argument.

This is literally what every argument for ploot is.

@Lumpus-1803

If the change is something that you can completely opt out of and you can’t form a legitimate argument against, you shouldn’t care.

I explained many times why you cant completely opt out, at least once in direct reply to you, on top of that you dont have any authority to tell me what I should care, or not care about.

@Lumpus-1803

Sure it does. If spamming the mouse button to get gold is in place for those with disabilities, how is spamming for loot any different. Saying “agree to loot rules” isn’t an answer… people can simply not live by those rules.

It has no relevance - gold is gold, doesnt matter which pile you pickup, however it does matter what items you pick up.

@Lumpus-1803

people can simply not live by those rules.

So now you are the one wanting actually remove option from players?

@Bodach-1471

@Malpka-2585

leechers will abuse it

Leachers abuse in either scenario so it’s not a variable to speak against either. However, the potential to leech items is less in ploot since in FFA you can get all the items. You can only get 1/8 in ploot. It would be better for a leacher to simply just join a ffa game with pickit, do nothing, then run in and get all the items when the boss dies. Your argument fails.

You are incorrect - since every roll is separate, you can as well get all the items in ploot.
If someone manage to grab all the items in FFA game, odds are he is not the leecher.
And for leecher it would be better to join ploot game with no gear whatsoever and empty inventory and just stay safe behind his teammates, while picking loot that game assigned to him, without ever getting in danger. Contrary to FFA where same leecher would have to be next to mob at the moment of his death. So one thing we agree on is this:

@Bodach-1471

Your argument fails.