Fix the bazooka please

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Or nerf it please.

As we know, last 2 patches 3 of 4 sets was empowered. In s16 bazooka was appeared and made useless tals in ladder competition. Even with season’s rorg theme

Then, you gave us new chantodo. Its pretty overpowered imo (cause 141 solo is ridiculous when 150 is max i guess and it very easy to play). But 17 season’s theme made it useless again. Bazooka potential are 4-6 lvl more than vyrs. Bazooka is overpowered even in compare to overpowered set. It is overpowered^2

That was funny as seasonal stuff. Like “haha look that damage omg so big lol”

But make this opportunity permanent is a big mistake as i think.

Baazoka is maximum boter friendly (very hard to get proper gear), “complicated-5acts-macro” based build. Is it good for regular farm? No, only push. Is difficult to gear? Extremely yes. Is it able to played by usual player with no complex macro? No. So usual players, who plays solo or love “pure” wizard mechanics and sets, will no play with it. And we get just bigger difference between “nolife/boter” and usual gamer. They already have more para and better gear. Its good, its ok. But they also have bazooka, that is not available for regular player.

Bazooka’s work based on mechanics, that shouldnt work together. Archon shouldnt work with channeling multipliers. Fix it please. Regular lon-starpact are clear, fair build. It let 150-guys do their speeds even with no archon buff.

Just fix that ridiculous, wizard-killing, unnatural mechanic please! As wizard, i just feel demotivated with that thing on permanent in upcoming patch.

Now bazooka is good enough for group play, but not that good in solo. But with “lon-gem” it will leave behind any other wizard builds and became extremely hard to gearing cause of max cdr & area damage in every slot is needed.

Sorry for my English

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Totally agree. This build is based on macro, this build is over powered and this build let players to run the highest 150 great rift so break competition.

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You don’t need a macro to play this build. LexyuTV did 150 with no macro at all.

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And ? You don’t need to play bazooka wizard to clear a gr150. he might as well be failing all his archon-buffed meteor, star pact is so strong that you can still clear 150 with it. It was done with firebird and a simple reverse archon meteor wizard is much more powerful than that.
What rift did he get ? What timer did they do ? Afaik they were happy to clear one 150. 150 is a farming tier for good meta players, right now they are competing to clear a 150 within 6 minutes on EU.

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Im not so worry about 150 and party play. 150 was 150 with bird, and its still 150 with bazooka, but became speed-farming lvl.

I worry about solo balance. All set are weak, all lon builds are weak in compare to B.

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Sounds like “Let’s poke everyone around eye because I can’t see and I hate them who can”.

Bazooka is hard to gear and hard to play because it’s one of very few end game builds the game has. You want to remove it, OK, but what do you suggest instead? D3 is already oversimplified compared to D2, what can you give for those who like spending their time on gearing/learning and closing something higher for their groups? Not all of us playing solo.

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Bazooka isnt hard to play, its hard to gear and based on macro. Its not about skill or complexity, its about how much cookies you got, right, Stas?

Do you think bird was less fun or good? Or base lonpact? Is this matter for tou that much, will you close your 150 in 8 or 12 mins??? Thats why all inside-class balance should be broken? For somebody’s “fun”, when you stay near monk and use macro twice per cycle.

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I have 3000 paragon. You are talking about people that have 4700 paragon. You said 150 is farmed by “good meta players.” This just means more paragon, gear, and possibly a macro. Everyone in our group were legit players that play just as well as these other “good meta players.”

This is just another thread where average players complain about Bazooka because cheaters are using bots and macros. Do people think that getting rid of Bazooka will make them competitive against the highest paragon people? As long as there are infinite paragons and bounty bots, other players will not be able to compete.

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Your problem here is with CHEATERS, not Bazooka. There are people that play Bazooka without using any bots or macros. Why can’t there be a build that is hard to gear for and play? Just because something in the game is too hard for you, doesn’t mean it should be removed. Plenty of people enjoy end game content.

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LexyuTV,
Curiosity question, what % of players in your mind play this build without the aid of macros? I realize that this is speculation but it seems to me that the number who play this build legitly is less than 10%. Am I wrong?

Even your phraseology of “There are people” suggests that the legit players are few and far between.

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Ok if for you 145+ solo macros based build with extremely hard gearing, that is not possible for usual players are ok, its your opinion.
Cheaters are not problem for me, if there is some balance inside my class. High para isnt problem for me, if there is some balance, if skill means more than bot+macro.

You know, problem even not in hard gearing and macro playin. Its not the true build. Its surrogate build based on bug. It should be nerfed cause of it. Now its ok cause normal players have normal build. In upcoming patch blizz decide for me, that i must play bazooka or i will sux.

Do you understand that its OP build that leave far behind another OP build? Its not ok, its ridiculously, absurdly mighty stuff. Give people choise what they want to choose.

And no need to say its hard for me to do smth. Im seasonal #9 world wiz with vyr now. I know what im talkin about

Im even no need to broke or nerf it to hell down. Just do it 1-2 lvl stronger (not 4-6 like now). That fair and good imo.

Im sure that with vyr players able even to do top-10 with playin solo-only. Thats the balance. When solo-player can do high enough to compete with everybody else. Im not have nothing against if bazooka will do 1-2 grs higher, but not that much

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I have no idea exactly how many people are playing without macros. I do know that I teach people everyday how to play manually.

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Man, actually, im not against macro. That normal part of game. But core of build is broke mechanic, its just feels unnatural, not like normal wizard build

I just like firebird pact alot. One of my alltime favs. And “healthy” lonpact should be same for me. But this… its just not wizard, its bfg on wheels

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I am not asking for an exact number but a guesstimate. For example, do you think the majority of people play bazooka without the aid of macros? I realize that you are one of the champions of legit bazooka play. Many do not share your ethics.

So there is a combination of factors. The build takes advantage of an unintended interaction. This unintended interaction is difficult but not impossible to do manually. As a result, many use macros/cheat to use this build. When this interaction is utilized, the strength of this build is greater than most other options. Altogether, this combination of factors make it a target for others who want to see this build nerfed.

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Much respect to you btw if you play manually. I played firebird manually also, but didnt try bazooka.

I want just not to “give me win”. I just want to let other players chance not to “lose” far behind bazooka-guys. Just want them to have opportunity to be on good places in ladder too

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It seems you just want Bazooka nerfed because you prefer to play Vyr Chantodo, a build that is much easier to execute and gear for. I don’t think the game should be catered in this way.

There should be builds that are hard to execute and gear for, and those builds should be more rewarding.

You say that you are fine with Bazooka still being 1-2 levels stronger than Vyr Chantodo, which I can understand. But earlier you said that Archon shouldn’t work in the build, which would leave it much further behind Vyr Chantodo. Even without the new Legacy of Dreams gem, Bazooka would be behind Vyr Chantodo in solos. You would have to do a very minor reduction in damage for it to still be 1-2 levels stronger than Vyr Chantodo.

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If you look at the Bazooka Wizards under GR 140, I would guess 50% of players are legit. I would guess less than 5% of Bazooka Wizards in GR 150 are legit. This is due to the fact that top players tend to cheat, or cheaters tend to be at the top.

Your analysis here is correct. The problem is that the people complaining would have anything deemed “too hard” removed from the game. This would result in player skill being obsolete. Endgame Greater Rift pushing is already reliant on luck enough. We don’t need to dumb down the game any further.

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Im not agree that bazooka is harder to play. Im playing double element vyr and it needs some sort of items that hard to get. And gameplay isnt that easy. But vyr is universal. I can do any objectives with it. Im no need to spent all my time for bounty only for push build.

i agree with that. But in fact: there are more bazooka players even with hard gearing of it. Cause is not that much good solo-players, that focused on wizard ladder. Its just “smoke break betweeen 150s” for them. Im not cryin baby that wants a candy. I just want them to have their big rewind, bot not SO absurdly big

im fully agree. Im no need to broke somebodys fun of game. Its good compromise for me as for solo-wiz. Im dont care if somebody 4k+ guys do his 1st place with macro. If i can be somewhere near him with my less para and “healthy” build

Now its just feels strange. We can do high with vyr and be near bazooka - guys, but we seem funny. Like “ah that kids try to play ladder. Let the Papa show you how to do things with big guns”. We seem pathetic now with our 6+ grs lower

One more thing i can say. Its no need to be good, expirienced solo wizard with knowledge of class mechanics and builds to play bazooka and leave behind anyone. You just need to do it when your “150 - speed - group” isnt online. Compete focused experienced guys deserve to do big things too. Im just sayin about some sort of “class philosophy”, you know… Just want that no only abusers will be in game. “give us more damage and button to activate it and we’ll go to get para and push it after. Thats the deal.” No. Not only stupid power matters imho

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Bazooka should NOT be removed. What must be done is to have OTHER META OPTIONS. Bazooka is extremely OP, there is no other buid that checks at least 50% of her power. This is shameful in such an easy game to balance. Why not fix WD’s AD lag and buff their group-only skills (globes)?

It is possible to play Bazooka WITHOUT macro, but it is very difficult and this build is misleading, I don’t have a good connection, my pc is a weak pc, and the split second to make Archon + Chanelling damage is greatly impaired. Even players with good internet and hardware lose rotation. Also, even with macros I often see ALL my colleagues failing the rotation a few times.

I honestly hate the use of macro and especially the fact that this build (Bazooka) works more efficiently with it.

Asking them to remove it is not the way, Blizz should give us OTHER options, so everyone is happy.

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I think your quote is the exact reason that a nerf to bazooka should be strongly considered. You clearly state that this build is overpowered and other builds should be brought up to that level.

A simpler solution is to nerf the overpowered outlier rather than try to get at least one build per class up to a similar level.

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