Hello demon hunters!
Today I rolled a primal Squirt’s Necklace, yay! Only problem is it rolled with Dex, CHD, and… Life% 
. I obviously rolled off the Life, but which is higher priority, CHC or Ele dmg? I rolled Fire dmg but should I roll CHC instead? I have 52% CHC already and 474% CHD. I realize Ele, Crit, Crit is ideal but unfortunately that’s not an option (and the necklace I was using before had even worse rolls). Halp!
I’m running UE6/CC3 with Fire Multishot.
Fire is the better option in this situation.
Lets do some math:
Your current damage multiplier for chc and chd is
1 + (0.52 * 4.74) = 3,4648
With 10% more chc, it will be
1 + (0.62 * 4.74) = 3,9388
This is an increase of
3,9388 / 3,4648 = 1,1368
or 13,68% more damage.
If you choose 20% more Fire damage, your multiplier for elemental damage increases from 1,2 to 1,4, which is an increase of
1,4 / 1,2 = 1,1666
or 16,66% more damage. (That’s more than 13,68%)
These values obviously change when you have different values of chc/chd or fire damage on your gear. But in most cases “Elemental > CHC” on amulets is true.
Edit: Oh, and btw.: That’s not a dumb question. 
Keep the fire roll. Try to max crit on other items. 54% is the maximum in your case.
If i would have such an amulet, i would go for:
Elemental damage as a flexible roll
crit damage
average damage
Sadly, i don’t have an amulet of this type, in good at least xD.
These are my #1 stats.
You will max out your crit chance anyway, or at least you should. You get stronger with more Paragon and higher augments. The more paragon, the more dex rolls you can ignore.
But for now… your amulet will do the job. It even rolled with a good secondary roll, nice.
Congratz on this one!
Are you sure about average damage? Afaik average Damage is quite strong on rings for S6, but I never heard of it on amulets. My perfect (primal) amulet would be
(Its too late for another round of math for me now, maybe later)
Thank you both, and I’m glad my hunch was right!
Followup questions…
At what paragon level do you typically start to prioritize raw dmg on rings over Dex? My rings are both good but each had a useless roll preventing me from rolling off Dex.
With UE6/CC3 specifically, how high do you prioritize RCR/CDR? I’ve spent like a bazillion blood shards on quivers but a good DML still eludes me. My Yang’s is “ok” with unfortunate low %dmg & cost reduction affixes, but not bad otherwise. Do you prefer RCR or CDR?
No need for math.
ANd dps wise definetly NOT better.
It is more of a personal preference and goal. With such an amulet i can play each weapon type with the highest possible damage on crit.
When i play Shadow Impale for example i generally play with “Caltrops” With that, i gain back my loss of 10% crit chance and my avg damage roll gains a bit more value aswell.
So, more of a personal preference, than a useful advise i would give.
You have so much attackspeed, crit chance and crit damage anyway. The next thing i want to max is the average damage.
Also helps me out for some niche builds i tend to play way more often these days.^^
You are correct, CHC, CHD and ELEMENTAL DAMAGE are the way to go for max DPS.
@Paradox
Not sure about this one, but somewhere around 17k mainstat?
Don’t take this answer so serious, its just a guess. Hebalon and dkmt are probably the persons, with the correct answers.
Rings are not useless, if they don’t have average damage on. It takes a while until dex is worse. You will need some augments or high paragon to get to this threshold.
You are fine.
With UE6/CC3 specifically, how high do you prioritize RCR/CDR? I’ve spent like a bazillion blood shards on quivers but a good DML still eludes me. My Yang’s is “ok” with unfortunate low %dmg & cost reduction affixes, but not bad otherwise. Do you prefer RCR or CDR?
As mentioned above, my goal is to achive the highest possible damage on crit, so i would always go for the damage part on this topic aswell, ergo, cooldown reduction.
That counts just for me… i do speeds, up to 6-7mins most of the time. And on those times i always play with blood vengance.
I get enough RCR from Shoulder, Weapon and Paragon. I even play without Crusader as follower, because i simply don’t need that RCR.
Even though i don’t play on the top notch level, i think i do a good job on my DH, years of practice and the use of Yangs gave me a stable strategy on ressource management.
So, from my point of view, go for CDR.
If you want the math… wait for the persons i mentioned earlier. xD
Also gives me higher uptime on everything and more uses of “Preperation”, which indirectly results in more damage aswell…
OFFTOPIC:
Just a friendly hint and really not an advise… If you try different and completely out of meta things with your DH, you can define new metas and fun ways to play this game for yourself very quickly.
S19 for example was the Season of attack speed for me. I dropped F+R, got Elusive Ring + RORG in my gear loadout and cubed OROTZ + ECHOING FURY.
For this special build i also had a crit chance amulet of course, because i had to drop crit chance on the RORG aswell…
90sec rifts on 91 were the average, no need for Dawn. 
Unless you go for the top notch gameplay, there is no need for maximizing any stat.
Thanks again for the insight, Mortred. I’m definitely a casual player and don’t even attempt to push into the leaderboards, I just don’t want to ruin an otherwise good item by rolling poorly. I’ve only done up to GR95 so far, and I had like 9 min left so I’m sure I could go higher, but I’ve just been screwing around farming bounty mats for rerolls and speed GR80’s for gem levels so I can work on augments.
Hilariously enough, I wasn’t paying attention and accidentally spent some blood shards on 1-handers instead of quivers (still trying for a better DML, fml) aaaaaand I got a Primal Danetta’s Revenge… Useless? UE Grenades maybe? Or a sweet 15 souls?
Danettas are good for speed builds, espacially for bounty boss runs.
Keep it for sure!
If it is an item for a class your don’t play or an item without a legendary affix, waste it, if not, keep it. 
With that clarity? Never. 
Ancient or even Primal rings with chd, chc, socket on drop are very rare. It happens a lot more that you have also another “useful” roll on it, like AD, CDR, RCR, or IAS (it depends on the build what is more or less useful). So, the better question would be: “at what paragon level do you use this other roll instead of Dex?”
Honestly? I don’t know. If you want a number, then I would say 1000. But that’s more gut feeling than science. 
Your Yang is just “ok”? Have you found another one since yesterday? I see a Primal there right now … Nice Drop!
The thing with RCR and CDR with CC3 is, that CDR suffers from “double” diminishing returns. For example 10% more CDR does not increase your total value of CDR by 10 percent points, but by a lesser value. And this lesser value doesn’t increase your total damage by this value (in percent), but only by an even lesser value.
RCR on the other sides works perfectly with CC3. If you get 8% more RCR, you can take 8% more damage until you die (without any healing).
CDR is great for CC3, and if you have to choose between RCR and CDR (like, with the gem in the helm), I would choose CDR, if your toughness is good enough. If not, use RCR first.
However, CDR on a Primal Yang is not my first choice. I would prefer IAS, LoH or maybe AD.
Not sure what you mean by this.
Thanks! Yes, that’s new. 
I have no idea what I did to make the RNG gods smile upon me (other than my many, many… many offerings of bounty mats in the cube), but that replaced the bow I had when I made the original post. My sheet dps went up over 200k even without the augment, lol, massive upgrade over what I had.
I am actually aware of DR, and I’ve tried going Topaz in my helm which allows me to sustain more attacks will less generator weaving, but it seems like most of the stuff I die to is a one-shot anyway unless I go diamonds in my chest/pants, which lowers my kill speed very noticeably. I’m just curious which way is preferred by others who play the build or at which paragon thresholds (if any) one is preferred over the other. As you can tell by my paragon levels, this is the 1st season I’ve bothered to play over about 600, so I’m definitely unfamiliar with stat priorities in relation to paragon levels and what sort of GR levels are appropriate for certain paragon levels.
I will experiment with this a bit more, thanks!
With my play style, UE6/CC3 runs very nicely with only 1 or 2 CDR rolls and with having RCR only on my Yangs. This is with a diamond in my helm and diamonds in my armor.
Since you have CDR on shoulders and gloves, you can roll CDR on your Yangs to something that will give you a bit of DPS. A really nice thing about that Yangs is that you can experiment without messing anything up.
With diamonds in your gear, you can go from Boar to Wolf.
Dex is a nice roll on your rings at your level. Your question about what level do you start focusing on trifecta jewelry is hard to answer. RNGeezus has more to do with that than paragon. Jewelry is the last thing I focus on as it can be the most frustrating.
Is there a specific GR level you are trying to reach this season? Knowing your goal will help with advice.
dunno go they dps meter calculator on diablofans and change the stats in sheet and see which is higher. To be honest at gr 113 the UE set is weaksauce anyway at least on my non season when compared to my shadow set.
Keep in mind that ideal is 1:10 ratio for CHC vs CHD. If you go to d3planner and play with the amulet you can clearly see what gives you most offensive / dps (I mean rolling the %elemental dmg, or chc).
Cheers!
That’s a myth. It was a rule of thumb during the times of the AH without item comparison before buying expensive items, but that’s all. You want to maximize the product of chc/100 * chd/100 to get the most damage. If you could always trade 1%chc for 10% chd, then the 1:10 ratio would be optimal. But because that is not the case (well, on amulets in general it is, but in the special case here again it is not), the 1:10 ratio is usually not the best one.
Especially not when it comes to questions like “chc or elemental on amulet”. I know that “elemental” is the better choice here (as calculated above), but that has nothing to do with a 1:10 ratio.
Yes elemental is better up to %60, after that the DR kicks in. I always go for elemental and CHD on amulet w/e possible, and as of late I prefer RcR / CDR / IAS on rings at expense of ChC (CHD still highly valued).
Cheers! <3
For rings you always want crit/crit/socket your fourth stat should be cd/rcr/as if your build needs those stats regardless what your para is.
The only thing that is really dependend on your para is raw dam on rings. Im not completly sure at what para raw dam becomes better than mainstat but as a rule of thumb assume about para 1500-1750 if your gear is fully augmented. if your gear isnt fully augmented yet than mainstat is ussualy better and keep in mind that the ring needs to be ancient bcs a non ancient ring has to low a dam range for it to be usefull.
Again if your build needs cd/rcr you always (no matter your para) want to roll off mainstat for those rolls
Problem is that rings / amulet don’t always come with a socket, so the choice is not as simple. God forbid you also want badly IAS on both rings, then it really becomes a b*tch to get what you want ^^
Cheers!
ofc bro
I was talking about the ideal situation as in what you want to end up with.
You are talking about priorities.
Quick breakdown of priorities:
Yeah I tried a few different rolls on the bow, I’m still unsure of which way to go. One thing I found odd is that I can get a 10% CDR roll, but if I roll RCR it only adds 5% on top of the 50% affix, and adds them together as one affix. Not sure if that’s intended or what, but it makes rolling RCR seem extremely suboptimal.
I haven’t tried swapping gems and going wolf yet, that could be good.
Not particularly, like I said I’m pretty casual and just like doing speeds (under 3 min) as high as I can go and slaying hordes of monsters. I did decide to go ahead and see how far I could go today (having previously only done a GR95 as stated earlier), and did GR105 in 11:26 and ended up #574 on the leaderboards, so that’s pretty cool. I probably could have done a little bit better but I got an absolutely dreadful rift (1st floor Realm of the Banished with lots of exploding fat guys + guys that leave acid puddles behind, 2nd floor Keep Depths with lots of succubi, Cold Snap RG… oof) and kind of called it a day after that.
This is interesting, but at what point does DR make rolling CDR not worth it over something like crit or raw dmg? I have 52% CDR if I keep the roll on my Yang’s, it drops down to 46.6% (iirc) if I roll it off. There must be a threshold where stacking more CDR isn’t worth it.
Another thing I’ve been mulling over is followers. I’ve always used the Templar with ranged classes, but I’m wondering about switching to Enchantress. My Templar has the setup for stuns/freeze with Thunderfury/Wrydward & Freeze shield, but I’m not sure I’m getting a lot of value out of Ess of Johan. Is Haunt of Vaxo good?
As far as Enchantress, I have the Blind/Charm setup with Sultan sword & Overwhelming Desire, I’m curious if Maloth’s Focus w/ Pandemonium Loop is any good. Or maybe Tormentor instead of the Sultan sword? Or just stick with Kormac, lol. Oh! I also got a Primal Naglering (my GR70 freebee) which someone said is really good, so I could give her that if it’s true. She basically has a flex ring spot if Maloth’s/Pandemonium is bad, unless there’s a better ring that synergizes with Sultan + Desire.
You guys have all been very helpful, so thanks again for that! 
Imagine that you had an ability with an innate cooldown of 100 seconds. You have four items that reduce cooldowns, one by 50%, three by 10%. The end result is not 80% reduction and this is why…
1st item
Reduces 100 second cooldown by 50% (50 seconds)
Result is that new cooldown is 50 seconds
2nd item
Reduces the 50 second cooldown by 10% (5 seconds)
Result is that the new cooldown is 45 seconds
3rd item
Reduces the 45 second cooldown by 10% (4.5 seconds)
Result is that the new cooldown is 40.5 seconds
4th item
Reduces the 40.5 second cooldown by 10% (4.05 seconds)
Result is that the new cooldown is 36.45 seconds
So, from the initial cooldown of 100 seconds, you’re down to 36.45 seconds, which is a cooldown reduction of 63.55%
This is why you see diminishing returns from stacking CDR values.