Sorry to be annoying. Trust me, I am not trying to be annoying…
You didn’t balance it very well. You would have been better off with archery instead of steady aim for all the time you spent with monsters right next to you.
I also gave up what would be considered meta builds, as I don’t find many of them enjoyable, or I don’t have good rolls for them.
I play Marauder Multishot and I do not use Convention of Elements (even though I have a primal trifecta). I play casually every now and then, checking for primals.
Nowadays, Captain Crimson completely removes the need for hexing pants 
No problem, man. CC and Squirt’s is definitely a different animal for UE players. Have a good night or morning 
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Just a logic nitpick, but…
Proportionally to what?
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I would beg to differ that this affects economy and trading(which there will be in d4) i beloeve if everything just drops for your class it takes a lot from actually rewarding you for finding something. Being able to trade items you have that someone needs for what you need makes a stronger economy.
D2 was better in every aspect. The only good thing that D3 had which is expected is its more fluid combat. The legendary skill modifiers on legendary’s is also fine but other than that D2 is still king over D3. Console brain D3 fanboys should stick to other console games and let an ARPG be a real ARPG.
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I played more D3 than D2, but if I am honest,
I put more effort in D3.
Although I really enjoyed d2, at the time my go to game
was Ultima Online, which I loved.
I will say this though, each new Diablo game has me playing it more
than the one before.
I will probably play Daiblo 4 the most.
And I don’t know about the rest of you, but after watching Diablo 4 at Blizzcon,
I don’t think I can go back and play D3 anymore now.
Will have a long wait for 4, but it looks 100 times as good, with
no D3 cartoonie graphics.
D3 looks so bad in comparison to D4. They weren’t afraid to use brown.
D4 FOR LIFE BRO…
I want blizzard to listen to all these discussions and keep improving…
if they do that… then take my money, I will even pay online subsription for ladder access etc.
for me I like both games even though I haven’t played much d2 am getting into it more now though with all the d2 stuff that seems to be finding its way into d4 even though I don’t get why you all want the outdated systems of and old game but to each their own I guess but I prefer d3 but the itemization needs to be more like d2 but not exactly the same. imo.
Yes, trading solves the problem but everyong knows that it brought more problem in D3. If it didn’t bring any problem in D2 (I’m not sure) maybe it’s because D2 has no AH and too few players so nobody can profit on the RMT business.
Setting the AH problem aside, being able to trade always allows RMT.
If some people know:
- farming in the game is not enjoyable for them (whatever farming it is, there will always be some people who don’t enjoy it)
- they farm much slower than they earn real money
Then it’s impossible to request everyone to resist RMT.
RMT is unfair, and the best thing designers can do is to design the game so that no RMT is possible.
D2 is the better game for design and structure… at least pre v1.10… it’s basically unplayable dog **** now…
The game is unbalanced to hell (and in hell) and the game play is an archaic, boring slog, unless someone is rushing you through all the content to the end game farm.
Diablo 3 is an arcade game at this point… you can pick it up and put it down and quickly get back in to the rhythm of it. All it takes is about 10 hours of game play to completely re-mold your entire characters build when new patches release and your older builds are no longer viable.
In D2, everything is basically set in stone, you either play a Hammerdin or a Blizzard Sorc or you just waste your time diddling around casually with other weaker classes that make next to no impact on Hell mode and just get slaughtered.
Going back to D2 is like conditioning your body to do intense exercises you used to do when you were 10 but now you’re 55 and can’t do a hand stand.
Getting back in to D3 is like breathing, you don’t even have to think about it, it just happens.
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Well firstly too few players? The only two games ever to rival diablo 2s actual playerbase in its time were ultima online and world of warcraft(years later) no. Trading was effective. Certain items you couldnt have more than one of in your inventory anni charms and hellfire torches. But someone always found something someone else needed instead of this bs 2.0 smartloot people built a system an economy and traded in 8 player games (way better than four) and even had entire lobbies dedicated to trades. Diablo 3 shot itself in the foot with first ah, then smartloot now all you have is the same 10 items dropping for your class over and over and over. Trying to find the best of that legendary for your class. Smartloot is awful and while indo like that in d3 now you get your own instanced drops, (that was the only upgrade as far as itemization goes diablo 2 was free for all on all dropped loot) giving people everything for their class upfront just takes the actual grind and reward out of finding what you need or getting excited about finding someone to trade with who needs what you have and they have what you need. But yeah i grew up playing diablo 2 and during its time there were incredibly massive playerbases just makes me laygh you say low player base lol. You have to understand this was im a different time. Dial up was still big during the beginning of diablo 2. There wasnt youtube or social media. Gaming online wasmt as big as it is now. Had it beem available then the game i guarantee you would have been so much more popular dont get me wrong it was huge in its time i just cant help but laugh when people compare d3 and its popularity to a game that came out when social media wasnt around when internet gaming was not im the same league amd that diablo 2 is the sole reason diablp 3 sold as well as it did. After it released in consples for people whp didnt have powerful pcs at the time it sold even more this wasnt about diablo 3 being better it was aboutnthe diablp name and having an arpg to play on cheaper hardware accessibility.Yet diablo 2 was one of the greatest games of all time and in its time one of the most if not .most popular game in its time.
Diablo II earned GameSpot’s 2000 runner-up Reader’s Choice Award for role-playing game of the year.[[66]] The game has received the “Computer Game of the Year”, “Computer Role Playing Game of the Year”, and “Game of the Year” awards from the [Academy of Interactive Arts and Sciences] at the 2001 [Interactive Achievement Awards] In August 2016, Diablo II placed 21st on [Time] The 50 Best Video Games of All Time list.[[76]] It was placed at No. 8 on Game Informer’ s “Top 100 RPGs Of All Time” list.[[77]]
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I’m saying today, not “in its time”. Sure D2 had a lot of players in its time, and I would call it the gold age of multiplayer gaming. In D2’s time there was no RMT business yet while enough players online.
Today everyting is different. You can’t go back to 15 years ago. It is sad that now in 2019 as long as trade is allowed, and there are enough players, RMT will ruin it.
I also agree that D3 was not as significant in gaming history as D2. It’s like “the best car today”. Not as significant as the first car, but definitely better.
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This is probably nostalgia based and the 30 yr old gamers out there are all gonna say d2 and the new age gamers will probably say d3. Fundamentally d2 was better, better item system better class building potential, better atmosphere with a more tactical combat.
I think if you look at the diablo franchise 1,2,3 then diablo 3 is the odd man out in a lot of ways. Take diablo 3 and fork it into a new ip with that kind of play style and make diablo 4 a true franchise successor.
Im 30 and played d2 growing up and atually im going to say that i could see why younger people who didnt experience d2 hrowing up before d3 will say d3 because its new player friendly and its a lot smoother on combat mechanics. Thats it. Everything else diablo 2 did much better and i truly believe if diablo 2 had beem released today with the software and tech thats out now, it would have been just as smooth and fluid. Then i think tye ONLY advantage a d3 would ultimately have is being more casual player friendly and console support as well.
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Possibilities for fun, as Diablo II has a thriving trade, has a viable PVP (though not fully balanced), has a global chat that puts the player in a global game context, is freer about character creation, requires more than lucky to reach the late game (requires ability to trade items, knowledge of best locations for certain drops, knowledge of PVP and PVE items, maximization of buids according to the items the player has), darker atmosphere , there are no poneys (haha).
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People who played D2 in it’s time of glory would go to war for it.
People who just got welcomed into the Diablo series with D3 like Tekashi 69.
Compare/Contrast
I think your estimation on average age of D3 players may be too young. Also it’s not a matter of age; casual players play more-casual games, and diablo-like systems seem a little too hardcore for them even as simple as D3.
I more major difference between D2 vs D3 is whether you want spend more time to gear up your build (D2) or to play with your geared-up build and improve its numbers (D3). This has nothing to do with extent of casuality, and it is the main reason I vote for D3.
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The size of the games industry in 2012 when Diablo 3 released was probably at least 10x the size it was in 2000 when Diablo 2 released.
Diablo 2 had sold 4 million copies after the first year of its release. In 2008, 8 years after its release, it was still in the top sellers list for the year.
Sales don’t show commercial success unless you weigh them against the size of the games industry at the time. If you do that, you’ll see that Diablo 2 was much more successful in terms of % of market share than Diablo 3. And as you note, Diablo 3 sold on many platforms, while Diablo 2 was sold on just the PC.
But there’s also the factor of popularity and likability. A lot of people who bought Diablo 3 did so because they were excited for a sequel to Diablo 2, but were disappointed with the product they got and didn’t play it for very long.
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